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DeepSeaDaddy_ t1_jefg2ok wrote
kentgoodwin t1_jefg6mr wrote
Incorporating the rights of nature into national laws and constitutions is one of the many important ways we can recognize that humans are part of a very large family. We share common ancestors with all living things on earth and they are therefore, literally, our relatives.
This recognition is an essential element of a sustainable civilization. If you are interested in seeing a very brief description of all the elements you could check out the Aspen Proposal. www.aspenproposal.org
TedMerTed t1_jeflrhf wrote
What is “rights of nature”? Is it a property rights concept?
kentgoodwin t1_jefmm1h wrote
How the rights of nature are defined might vary with different pieces of legislation. In this case you would have to find the Ecuadorian laws that spell that out.
I am not sure what you mean by "property rights concept". A tree doesn't own property, nor does a butterfly.
Elidanatto t1_jefrmxq wrote
It's gonna be sad when the illegal mining and groups come in to destroy said hot spot :( rich folk do it all the time, if they can't win in the courts they pay for warfare on the land and people in the area.
erikmongabay OP t1_jefsr0w wrote
"Rather than treating nature as property under the law, rights of nature acknowledges that nature in all its life forms has the right to exist, persist, maintain and regenerate its vital cycles." - Global Alliance for the Rights of Nature, https://www.garn.org/rights-of-nature/
Karnorkla t1_jefx816 wrote
I send my utmost respect and admiration to the good people in Ecuador fighting to protect their environment.
in_jail_out_soon7 t1_jefy41j wrote
Its only a matter of time till it gets over turned. Whatever company wants it will have enough money to buy someone out thats able to overturn it
TedMerTed t1_jeg1d5n wrote
In U.S. jurisprudence, property rights concepts would address what can and cannot be done with land. I was trying see where it would fit into our system of laws.
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BeowulfShaeffer t1_jeg2bks wrote
Sure. But history suggests a ruling like this is likely to be followed by bribery and assassinations.
TedMerTed t1_jeg2wp9 wrote
Can’t say that I know much about it but the concept seems unworkable. Everything humans do is at odds with the rights of nature.
Frustrated_Moonman t1_jegap40 wrote
this is the way
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kentgoodwin t1_jeghv2u wrote
Okay, I understand. Of course, this is about more than just land, as there are beings involved.
kentgoodwin t1_jegi5z1 wrote
Actually, the status quo is unworkable in the long run. One of the things that will help save our bacon is the recognition that the rest of the family has rights too.
PumpkinManGuy t1_jegjhy8 wrote
I don't know about you, but I'm not allowed to eat my relatives in my country.
TedMerTed t1_jegjxgm wrote
This philosophy has to have ties to a need to depopulate Earth. Also, what family are you talking about?
Lehk t1_jegk38s wrote
It means any and all development will get mired in endless litigation.
CalligrapherSad5475 t1_jegkipi wrote
Everything we do now yes, it hasn't been always been like this.
kentgoodwin t1_jegng0o wrote
Well, you are certainly not allowed to eat your human relatives. But the other living things, including the ones you eat, also share a common ancestry with you. They deserve a bit more consideration than we have been in the habit of giving them.
kentgoodwin t1_jego3wh wrote
If you have a look at the Aspen Proposal, you will see that it does indeed suggest a smaller population than the current 8 billion or the peak 10 billion. Fortunately, birth rates are falling everywhere and we should be able to ease our numbers down over a few centuries.
The "family" is all the species that co-evolved with us from common ancestors. Which is all the species on earth. One of the reasons humans are mucking things up, is that we only see our selves as human and not as part of a large extended family. Changing that mindset may help us fit in on this planet a little better.
wordholes t1_jegobsp wrote
> the rights of nature
But the profits! You've just slapped a yacht out of the mouth of a poor and hungry executive. How can you people live with yourselves? Will nobody think about the profits??
kentgoodwin t1_jegozcn wrote
I take solace in the fact that the executive, in his/her grief, might now consider another part of the Aspen Proposal that suggests that all humans have the same suite of needs, shaped by our evolution. There are real and robust ways to meet those needs, and yachts isn't one of them.
wordholes t1_jegp6bp wrote
> suggests that all humans have the same suite of needs
The only needs that humans have is to serve capitalism. Work harder, peasants!
thewayisunknown t1_jegqhfj wrote
Good news
AnnoyingGadfly t1_jegtye9 wrote
I’m not sure exactly how to phrase this, but issues like these point out a contradiction in current green environmental policy.
We want to protect nature in its pristine form. But we also want to re do our power grid, install renewable energy plants and make all cars electric.
We don’t have enough metals like copper, lithium, and cobalt to do this. Which means we will have to open up many many new mines, which is really destructive to nature and the surrounding communities.
An uncomfortable truth we need to start looking at.
TedMerTed t1_jegu108 wrote
It sounds like another step towards Marxism. The government will own everything and make decisions for everyone.
beauhommad t1_jegxfdp wrote
So... would you rather we just destroy nature for the sake of profits? I swear, you anti socialist types would rather shoot our collective existence in the foot rather than take the absolutely only solution to save the only home we as a species have. The planet needs to recover and we need to stop fucking it up. If you're so concerned about population decline, it seems strange that you'd be opposed to the only viable solution we have.
Combat_Toots t1_jegyz23 wrote
Already happened, and they drove the thugs out. These people have been fighting for this for decades and have gotten multiple mining companies to pull out.
This is just confirmation that they have one more tool to use for the future.
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Ornery_Space8877 t1_jeh3bx5 wrote
Electric cars will never replace gasoline engines until they make batteries that can go as far as well as charge as fast as putting fuel in a gasoline engine.
DeLaManana t1_jeh5dz4 wrote
Enjoy this downvote. Comments that only sow doubts are worthless.
>Can’t say that I know much about it
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>but the concept seems unworkable.
Then phrase it as a question. "How could this work?" for example. What you're doing is intentionally undermining it and sowing doubt.
autotldr t1_jefe2rk wrote
This is the best tl;dr I could make, original reduced by 94%. (I'm a bot)
> Communities in the Intag Valley of Ecuador have won a significant legal victory after a court ruled to halt copper mining in one of the world's most biodiverse forests.
> Two notable cases in Ecuador have successfully invoked the rights of nature in years past, showing that they can be used as a legal tool to protect the environment and the rights of communities.
> In September 2020, the Intag communities won one of the few cases upholding the rights of nature in the lower court.
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