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dwitman t1_iuj7nui wrote

I feel like violence in this situation is almost a foregone conclusion.

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Dependent_Yesterday9 t1_iujdw2n wrote

Replying to infinitejestinfinite (#399,108)

>Thank you to everyone who helped us rescue patriotism, who prayed, prayed, took to the streets, gave their sweat for the country that is working and gave Bolsonaro the biggest vote of his life! Let's raise our heads and let's not give up on our Brazil! God in charge!

That does not exactly read as a concession of any kind.

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infinitejestinfinite t1_iujefro wrote

Replying to Dependent_Yesterday9 (#399,580)

Maybe it's lost in translation, but the message in Portuguese has the tone of concession. The "Let's raise our heads" part usually means you have been defeated here in Brazil. So with that context, while I agree it is still ambiguous, it is still interpreted by us as a concession.

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zekethelizard t1_iujftd9 wrote

The fact he's keeping his big mouth shut is the most encouraging thing to expect. Would have thought he'd be running his mouth about cheating and fraud and all the usual bullshit for hours before the race was called

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Bad_Mad_Man t1_iujj05w wrote

Maybe the shock left him permanently speechless. I know, unlikely. One can dream.

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Dragull t1_iujjboq wrote

"Maybe if I ignore result I can keep being president."

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Someoneoverthere42 t1_iujjp92 wrote

So, is this “I’m just being stubborn” silence, or, “I’m seeing if I have enough allies in the police and military to trigger a coup” silence?

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Magoimortal t1_iujjpkq wrote

Classic nothing happens feijoada from his government

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lolzacksnyderfans t1_iujkrsk wrote

Replying to godsenfrik (#399,424)

Oh right, the election where SCOTUS stepped in and gave the win to Bush despite Gore having more votes, leading to the decline of the country we are still seeing today.

Hopefully the same thing doesn't happen in Brazil.

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submittedanonymously t1_iujkvtb wrote

Replying to Dependent_Yesterday9 (#399,580)

That very well could be the plan - lower the defenses of those you are against while simultaneously trying to raise spirits for those you support.

Possibly lost-in-translation moment as well, however it’s a little harder when many of the words and the order they are used are unmistakeable in what emotion they want to provoke - here it seems to lead more to the “we fight a holier fight, a harder fight than we had hoped to have rigged for ourselves anticipated.”

Bolsanaro and Co have been talking about unfair elections since he won the last election and called it unfair because he “shoulda won with more votes than that.” This is simply them holding out time until they get their messaging on point and start spreading the lies.

If that’s not the case, I will deep fry a shoe. (I won’t eat it. I just… wanna try it, ya know?)

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kaloi_hu t1_iujlnbn wrote

Using his call-a-friend lifeline to consult with trump...

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infinitejestinfinite t1_iujm5u8 wrote

Replying to [deleted] (#402,116)

I completely agree. A more clear concession is still needed. Specially since there have been some truck drivers protesting on/blocking highways along the country waiting to hear what Jair Bolsonaro has to say about the results.

But the first member of the family to speak out making this statement (which to me still sound like a concession from his part) is a better sign than if he had been silent or made a statement outright contesting the result.

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VinylJitsu t1_iujmrts wrote

He hasn't been seen in public for more than 24 hours. He could even be dead, we don't know. Not that I believe that, we are not that lucky.

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OllieGarkey t1_iujnztx wrote

Replying to Ok_Investigator_1010 (#401,467)

On the one hand I completely agree. On the other hand, I post to /r/noncredibledefense, so there's a part of me that wants to see the US lead an OAS-Sanctioned intervention to make sure Lula takes office and to defend American (Hemispheric) Democracy.

That is a bad outcome because it would kill people, and I would prefer it not happen, but if it did I would enjoy the coping and seething from right wingers and tankies alike, who seem to be on the same side most of the time.

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abrandis t1_iujo78x wrote

The fact that he hasn't conceded, tells you he's weighing his alternatives, but he'll have to say something one way or another soon. But knowing this guy he's not likely to concede, given how close the popular vote was.

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abrandis t1_iujo818 wrote

The fact that he hasn't conceded, tells you he's weighing his alternatives, but he'll have to say something one way or another soon. But knowing this guy he's not likely to concede, given how close the popular vote was.

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infinitejestinfinite t1_iujopg4 wrote

Replying to asj3004 (#403,358)

Pretty much all of Bolsonaro's allies have issued statements accepting the results. This statement by Flavio is more ambiguous, but given that most people from both sides have accepted the results, I still interpret it as a statement meaning "thanks, we tried, let's move on".

I could be wrong, but all signs are pointing to the results being accepted.

There's a chance these truck protests can grow and then a lot of the politicians go back on their statements. But I think that is unlikely at this time.

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piclemaniscool t1_iujot5l wrote

Replying to lolzacksnyderfans (#402,190)

That's not what happened. Gore won the popular vote but Bush won the electoral college. Most people agree its a dumb system in this day and age, but it's disingenuous to leave out that everything was done per procedure.

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MGD109 t1_iujpcph wrote

Replying to Ok_Investigator_1010 (#401,467)

From what I've read Bolsonaro lost a lot of his popularity with the rank and file, meanwhile numerous senior general's don't like him either.

As such a military coup is probably not on the cards.

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0scar_alh0 t1_iujpd67 wrote

Replying to infinitejestinfinite (#399,812)

I just read it in Portuguese and it has the same ambiguous tone. "Let's not give up" can both be interpreted as "we won't accept these results" and "we accept these results but we'll continue fighting for our vision"

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MGD109 t1_iujpg4k wrote

Well I have to admit I wasn't expecting that. Maybe he'll do the decent thing and concede defeat with dignity?

Its a long shot, but who knows stranger things have happened.

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Ineverus t1_iujpop6 wrote

Replying to piclemaniscool (#403,841)

It's also disingenuous to leave out the absolutely sketchy actions of the republicans leading up to and during the Florida recount, including confusing ballots being printed, intimidation of recount workers by "protestors" flown in by the RNC, and the whole thing being overseen by a republican florida state secretary (in a state governed by Jeb Bush).

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WeaselTeamSix t1_iujsp6l wrote

Hopefully they secure their top secret documents. We all know what happens when rightwing losers are on their way out. They get the sticky fingers.

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spacepoo77 t1_iujxud4 wrote

He'll be waiting for instructions from his master

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Bailey_O t1_iujybq8 wrote

Conservatives across the globe are the biggest cry babies when they lose. 😭👶🏻

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kerred t1_iujzi7f wrote

Replying to jpf137 (#405,672)

I feel like Trump could have crazy stupid money if he mailed his followers like a televangelist.

I bet his advisors thought of a bunch of ways then though "this will collapse before we can run with the money"

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dwitman t1_iujzsz3 wrote

Replying to jpf137 (#399,741)

My worry would be the police or the military or both. I don’t know much about Brazil, less than I’d like to actually…so hopefully these are unfounded fears.

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VicPL t1_iuk1vl6 wrote

Replying to Someoneoverthere42 (#401,775)

No one knows. What one actually knows is that the heads of the other powers -- congress, senate, justice branch etc, including his allies, were very quick to ratify the results and congratulate Lula and the 'free, fair and credible elections'. It was an implicit, but very clear, "we won't help you with any shenanigans, shut up and take the L".

So he'll probably just take the L eventually.

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Fuzzy-Mango1795 t1_iuk3tlg wrote

He's gonna wait til 2024 and hope is POs friend wins in the US. He'll stay quiet til then

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SuperBock64 t1_iuk460s wrote

He must be getting tips from Trump on how to handle his loss.

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Miss_Direction_Jr t1_iuk57ds wrote

In 3.....2......1........ VOTER FRAUD ^^(*)

(*) A little trick I learned from traitor trump and comrade putin!

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WaxednVaxed t1_iuk5d4m wrote

Replying to Vkusno-Nutty (#407,537)

Ah yes a single person caused all of this, not the massively corrupt political organization that has directly reaped the rewards, who BTW are currently obstructing investigations into their own attempted coup of the government. Glad we have an article to absolve the entire GOP of guilt.

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AntSure t1_iuk6ijy wrote

Replying to godsenfrik (#404,154)

2000 makes more sense than 2020. 2020 Trump was crying rigged election months before voting began and was on an all out legal and illegal spree trying to find some method of staying in power immediately after the race was called.

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What_its_full_of t1_iuk6rdi wrote

Replying to kerred (#408,616)

I thought he was doing exactly that.

Isn’t a large part of the reason that he doesn’t declare for 2024 because any donations then become campaign contributions that have to be accountable?

In the meantime, I thought he was raising money for imaginary court cases and spending it on cheeseburgers.

Édit. Words

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AntSure t1_iuk7dyl wrote

Replying to piclemaniscool (#403,841)

>everything was done per procedure

Was it? Had they counted the votes quickly and accurately Al Gore would have won under the electoral college.

It was a 5-4 Federal Supreme Court ruling where they forced Florida to stop it's recount which defied Florida's own laws and Florida's own Supreme Court ruling. The whole thing was unprecedented. Had the recount been allowed to continue as was Florida's law then Al Gore would have become the President under the Electoral College. Only because SCOTUS stopped the recount did he lose.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bush_v._Gore

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2001/jan/29/uselections2000.usa

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Jonnny t1_iuk7exv wrote

Replying to calmdownmyguy (#398,426)

But that's still 50 of them to form a (mostly nonviolent) mob, and still 5 or 10 violent dumbfucks. Multiply this several times, with energy running high, and you've got some ugly situations.

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Philypnodon t1_iuk87rr wrote

Replying to Glioneuronal (#407,866)

While only a few ppl know for certain, this seems the most likely scenario. 2000 was a clusterfuck. Just imagine what the world would look like if Gore had actually become president... While I can't actually know, I assume we'd be in a much, much better place than now. So yeah, fuck Jeb. Stupid Mofo

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TresOjos t1_iuk8zmj wrote

He is a Trump type, it won't end well.

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offensiveusernamemom t1_iukanhx wrote

Replying to Philypnodon (#413,371)

Gore, good chance they would have stopped 9/11, McCain in 04/08, Obama 12/16. Bush's wars screwed a lot of things up for this country, arguably he was worse then Trump, but we get rid of Trump in this timeline too.

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Meb2x t1_iukarjt wrote

I really hope Lula has some strong security. I don’t think Bolsonaro is gonna roll over quietly

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