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pepelepew111111 t1_iudhl3g wrote

The Israelis are already helping covertly. No matter what Zelensky says, the benefits of Israel getting actively and openly involved in a war far away from their own borders are far outweighed by the consequences. It would be a geopolitical nightmare at best. Worst case it could kick off more war in the Middle East between Israel and Russia, or Israel and Hezbollah, or Israel and Iran, or Israel and other Iranian proxies. Or even worse, between proxies and other proxies.

Never mind the economic fallout of more oil price instability in the face of a looming global recession. We need more war in the Middle East like we need more COVID.

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bitcoins t1_iudmaly wrote

Also Ukraine has an abysmal record of voting against Israel in the UN. We are all for Ukraine over Russia but come on…

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MarcDVL t1_iudodsl wrote

The UNGA just voted on making Israel give up its nuclear weapons. Ukraine voted in favor of giving them up. You know, the same weapons that Ukraine gave up which allowed Russia to invade two decades later.

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TheGazelle t1_iufrfjf wrote

And unlike Ukraine, Israel doesn't really share any borders with reliable allies that could be depended upon to support them.

The only reason they haven't been directly attacked in a while is because it went really poorly for the attackers the last few times, and Israel has since ensured that its military is the biggest, baddest dog on the block - by necessity.

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Ok_Magician7814 t1_iugf1fq wrote

Agree but you left out it’s powerful big brother watching over it

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Confident_Fly1612 t1_iughhlh wrote

The one that stayed out of its earliest, most important wars thinking it would lose?

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Ok_Magician7814 t1_iugjbml wrote

The one that to date has given it hundreds of billions of dollars of aid money, not to mention ongoing military support

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Confident_Fly1612 t1_iugtgkw wrote

So yes, the one that gives that aid money with the caveat that it must be spent on American weapons that will then get battle tested, unless it’s spent on technology and intelligence that also benefits America. But I’m not sure what ongoing military support you mean since you’re mentioning that separately from aid money.

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Labor_Zionist t1_iuh4rqq wrote

Which we are thankful for, but you can't base the existence of your country on a single ally. The US didn't always support Israel and there is no guarantee it will always continue to do so.

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TheGazelle t1_iuhhf2u wrote

Yes, the one which is half a world away and wouldn't really have any safe path to get supplies in should put surrounding nations decide it's in their best interest to fuck with Israel again.

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pepelepew111111 t1_iudmg8w wrote

That voting record no doubt will not be completely forgotten, yes.

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Zucc_Boi_ t1_iudtd8g wrote

Especially since today we got a painful reminder that Israel is still as anti-Israel as it was for decades.

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hakenwithbacon t1_iuery86 wrote

Ukraine has a voting record against a lot of nations it seems to be asking for help from. Such as India.

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aomukai t1_iugpvug wrote

To be fair though, India is shady as fuck.

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garrettj100 t1_iufjsck wrote

Not for nothing but the Israelis just blew up an Iranian drone factory. That’s them getting involved, along an axis they can justify, without directly escalating in Ukraine. After all RUSSIA ISN’T USING IRANIAN DRONES RIGHT?

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xsv_compulsive t1_iudzbhc wrote

Consider that Zelensky releasing statements like this might not be what they seem at face value, there are sometimes many layers of psyops aimed at both sides of the war at the same time

Here's a fun one, why would Zelensky criticize Germany's lack of military aid even though they're one of the top three contributors? What message would that send to Ukrainians, to Germans, to Russians, to other allies

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Layer8_Workshop t1_iuexfi4 wrote

Because Germany was slow to provide lethal aid at the beginning of the war.

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Harsimaja t1_iuf4qkz wrote

Germany pledged to send a zillion squillion, though

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aomukai t1_iugqe32 wrote

No. They were sending helmets. Germany was unwilling to send weapons at that time. Do your homework before you confidently state BS.

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prof_atlas t1_iuh2s9c wrote

I hear you. People shouldn't fall into divisive headline traps.

The West is very well aligned, and Israel's interests are aligned with the West's.

It doesn't pay to go further down this rabbit hole.

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Candelestine t1_iudthdg wrote

You make it sound like Israel is being asked to invade Iran. They just wanted to buy some Iron Dome. And the answer of "No, but here, have some radars." is a workable compromise, it's understandable that they wouldn't want to sell their entire cutting edge system.

May as well ask though, if they had said yes that'd be a pretty nice thing to set up around Kyiv, even if it drained their spare cash.

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-wnr- t1_iue010t wrote

There's probably IP that Israel doesn't want to risk falling into Russia, and then by extension Iranian, hands. Instead they sold Ukraine radar systems and bombed a factory in Syrian making Iranian drone components, which seems like a fairly clear indicator of support.

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kilobitch t1_iue4df0 wrote

Israel barely has enough Iron Dome batteries to protect itself. They aren’t selling them en masse on the open market. I think the US might possess 2 batteries. There’s no way Israel would risk their own safety by selling off currently deployed ID batteries to Ukraine or anyone else. And it’s a huge risk that it could be captured by Russia and intel on it then passed on to Iran.

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watson895 t1_iufd9m7 wrote

Israel is pretty much the ideal country when it comes to missile defense. Very small, dense and with a small area where rocket attacks originate. Ukraine would needs orders of magnitude more batteries to get the same results.

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falconzord t1_iuea8t2 wrote

What is they deployed it in Kyiv well beyond Russian reach? It would also let them test it out against Iranian weapons

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kilobitch t1_iueb2ik wrote

ID isn’t designed to intercept the kinds of missiles and drones Russia is using against Kyiv. It’s for short range rockets and artillery.

And again, they don’t have any to spare.

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Common_Ad_6362 t1_iufasdz wrote

It's also likely propaganda and some AA batteries being fired at homemade rockets coming from a third world country.

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k_elo t1_iufv61y wrote

Narrayor: needs are heard. More war and more covid coming right up.

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djazzie t1_iue39jv wrote

I mean, we’re probably going to see a big Covid spike this winter so….

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godel32 t1_iueeijg wrote

> Worst case it could kick off more war in the Middle East between Israel and Russia

So? After what the Ukrainian army did to them, Israel would easily be able to adequately defend itself.

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horsemagicians t1_iuffgdc wrote

Lol what a dumbass response. “We have had thousands of civilians and soldiers die at the hands of Russia, even though we’re winning. So you should just accept the same fate by helping us.”

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godel32 t1_iuhwctt wrote

Now put your words into the isolationists in the US in 1939 who were afraid of the US getting involved in the war against Hitler.

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calm_chowder t1_iuf9fhd wrote

If Russia attacked Israel you better believe a bunch of Middle East countries would join in. Israel has a population of 9 million people, slightly more people than live in New York City - not an endless supply of soldiers. They can't afford an unnecessary war or to lose any territory.

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edc667 t1_iufv8h1 wrote

>So? After what the Ukrainian army did to them, Israel would easily be able to adequately defend itself.

Here's a simple explanation:

More war = more death = not good

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godel32 t1_iuhw4qq wrote

Now imagine the isolationists saying the same thing in the US in 1939.

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