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macross1984 t1_j1n7ya2 wrote

I know it is tit-for-tat but maybe Japan should reciprocate? For sure China will be pretty pissed if they get same treatment it does to other countries.

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[deleted] t1_j1nebvf wrote

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Ceratisa t1_j1nevc8 wrote

It belongs to Japan realistically. China didn't dispute it until they became valuable eez wise.

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InformationHorder t1_j1ok17x wrote

The islands themselves aren't valuable at all. Nothing on em cept bird poop.

This is about who controls the seas around them, and about who is "right". The Chinese see everything in terms of prestige and power. They want them so they can flex and show they don't back down from anything no matter how insignificant.

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FnordFinder t1_j1orhs6 wrote

Bird poop is actually fairly valuable for agriculture.

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pheonixblade9 t1_j1ou2mi wrote

it was prior to the Haber process being invented. not really important, now.

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kimchifreeze t1_j1ov6l2 wrote

The Guano Islands Act of 1856 is still a thing though. Not f or these islands obviously.

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Substantial_Term_468 t1_j1qsce2 wrote

Yeah, they definitely view those bird poop islands as an economic asset, planning the mining operations as we speak. 🙄

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mrcleaver t1_j1p5pzu wrote

What makes Japan's claim any more legitimate than Taiwan's or China's? The fact that they started administering it formally as part of an imperialist period in their history in the late 1800s?

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ExplosiveDiarrhetic t1_j1p7vxh wrote

Uh, yes.

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BestSun4804 t1_j1pd3cf wrote

So, by your logic, China can attack the island and just took it over. And others shouldn't have anything to say because it is not wrong and it is what it is. This is the exact way Japan has a hand on the island.

Then why are you still crying about their dispute?? It is a normal direction it must take, for war to happen. So it is dispute between China and Japan, just let them has war there to decide who finally own it. It is not your issue to care about, that's their fight.

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mrcleaver t1_j1p9id6 wrote

So are you saying being the first to land troops somewhere is the only requirement to declare something as yours?

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sanzy1988 t1_j1pfm57 wrote

How do you think all territories in the world were claimed? A game of poker?

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ExplosiveDiarrhetic t1_j1rmd7x wrote

Japan administered the islands in the 1800’s. USA, after occupying japan, returned them to japan.

If anything, the taiwan government has more of a claim than china. China has zero claim. But of the three, japan has more of a claim.

Also being the most recent owner tends to be how the world works. Native americans havent been given back america. Its impossible to go back in time. End of the day, the current administrator is japan.

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D1ldoh1tler t1_j1nspxq wrote

Lol why?

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czs5056 t1_j1nvjad wrote

They suggested that Taiwan is still the legitimate government of mainland China

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Ok_Yogurtcloset8915 t1_j1o6huz wrote

kind of a silly stance tbh, by those rules it's actually the Qing dynasty that's the rightful government of mainland china

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escientia t1_j1o3zoa wrote

Japan has a long history of fucking up China’s shit

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macross1984 t1_j1o5e6k wrote

Yup, Japan sure did mess around with China in the past but subjectively, I feel Great Britain did even greater sh*t with China by introduction of opium and making drug addicts out of many Chinese and then starting opium war to extract even greater concession out of China.

In other words, there were more than one countries that took advantage out of hell with China in the past.

Edit: And for those who claim that Japan is the worse read this article first before making that statement.

https://www.memri.org/reports/chinese-toutiao-platform-2019-qa-which-country-has-done-most-harm-china-modern-times-all

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Chiss5618 t1_j1o6eh0 wrote

Not excusing the shit that China has done/is doing, but after you look at Chinese history for the past ~200 years, you can see why they want to be a superpower. It's especially apparent in their propaganda, which always depicts them as the underdogs fighting against the world.

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styr t1_j1ofgen wrote

When a British delegation first tried to make diplomatic contact with the Qing in the 1800s, the Imperial eunuchs told the British delegation to get the sitting Queen to come kowtow to their Emperor in person and offer tribute before even allowing the diplomats to speak their demands.

As you can imagine, such a request did not go over well with the Brits and set the tone for both considering the other "barbarians" and created hostilities almost from the get-go.

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PandaCheese2016 t1_j1ojiqm wrote

Qing and Yuan dynasties were the two “barbarian” dynasties in the eyes of many historical Chinese and quite a few modern day Han nationalists I imagine. Qing rulers were blamed for making China lag behind the West in premodern period, but their claim on Tibet also led to the current boundary of PRC so they can’t just rewrite Qing out of history books.

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jinglepepper t1_j1qo3vy wrote

>sitting Queen to come kowtow to their Emperor in person

I’m gonna need a source for that b/c that’s not how the tributary system in China worked. Never did the kings of Dai Nam (Vietnam), Joseon (Korea), or other tributary states personally come to Beijing nor were they required to. Instead, the diplomatic convoy made the token recognition and brought gifts, then they received gifts from the Chinese emperor in return, usually of much higher value. It was such a profitable exercise that some tributary states would send convoys multiple times a year until the emperor had to limit their visits. So unless there’s something special about the queen of England to warrant special treatment I can’t see how a personal visit was demanded

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macross1984 t1_j1o7szx wrote

That I understand. After being stomped to the ground so often it is natural to want to be strong and able to dictate terms instead of receiving it.

This is not only China but every countries had to show strength if they don't want to be taken advantage of.

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ExplosiveDiarrhetic t1_j1p7ufc wrote

Nah. Japan did much more damage to china in ww2 alone. Not even comparable

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macross1984 t1_j1pn7gs wrote

Well here is an article I found where the author gave his opinion on which country did most harm to China and it is not Japan. When I read it I was surprised at his analysis.

https://www.memri.org/reports/chinese-toutiao-platform-2019-qa-which-country-has-done-most-harm-china-modern-times-all

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ExplosiveDiarrhetic t1_j1rmrlf wrote

Russia is a shitty paper tiger. Has been for anyone paying attention. Stop white washing japan’s crimes. They raped and murdered millions upon millions of chinese. The only one comparable that did as much damage was mao himself.

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huhwhuh t1_j1o79o5 wrote

True that. The biggest cause of China's suffering was caused by no external power other than Chairman Mao's revolution. He purged more chinese than any other nation did in China's history. Funny thing is, China's education brainwashes people in thinking that the purge was necessary and Mao was the hero that everyone needed. Oh and other nations bad, very bad.

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d36williams t1_j1oditq wrote

China's worst enemy heads their government, all power to the government, none to people

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FortheredditLOLz t1_j1owzht wrote

You meant the five year plan of starvation, desperation, and untold deaths. Yeah….it didn’t happen because china said so.

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TechSquidTV t1_j1oixpn wrote

Japan has a long history of fucking around and finding out, over and over again. This is China though

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