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autotldr t1_j1na1ih wrote
This is the best tl;dr I could make, original reduced by 62%. (I'm a bot)
> Japan's coast guard has said that two Chinese government ships which entered Japan's territorial waters near the Senkaku Islands in the East China Sea on Thursday both left on Sunday morning.
> The Chinese ships' intrusion into Japan's territorial waters broke the previous record of a similar incident that lasted for 64 hours and 17 minutes between July 5 and 7 of this year.
> The Japanese coast guard remained on alert after warning the vessels against re-entering Japan's waters.
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Ceratisa t1_j1nd0r3 wrote
Inb4 we have people saying America does the same to Chinese waters, ignoring the whole international ruling against China and their absurd territory grab attempt.
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Ceratisa t1_j1ne57v wrote
And China says Taiwan belongs to them.. which makes them the defacto owner of the islands in their view. Also these were given back to Japan to administer post ww2 to Japan from U.S. control. These claims were uncontested until they were viewed as valuable, then China suddenly wanted them.
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Ceratisa t1_j1nevc8 wrote
It belongs to Japan realistically. China didn't dispute it until they became valuable eez wise.
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Ceratisa t1_j1nfxq2 wrote
Why would there need to be. They came under U.S. control during ww2 and were given back to the Japanese to control autonomously in 1972. There should be no dispute. Again,China automatically considers anything Tawian claims as its own. They become important because of the position they grant to control the economic zones in the waters around them. Japan has had control over them for decades. Them only becoming a dispute later says a lot
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D1ldoh1tler t1_j1nspxq wrote
Lol why?
czs5056 t1_j1nvjad wrote
They suggested that Taiwan is still the legitimate government of mainland China
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aew360 t1_j1nwyh8 wrote
So the CCP says that Taiwan belongs to them? Ok well the people of Taiwan say that Taiwan belongs to them. I don’t think you understand the history behind the civil war.
r-reading-my-comment t1_j1nx2p3 wrote
No one said there was a ruling about this
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escientia t1_j1o3zoa wrote
Japan has a long history of fucking up China’s shit
macross1984 t1_j1o5e6k wrote
Yup, Japan sure did mess around with China in the past but subjectively, I feel Great Britain did even greater sh*t with China by introduction of opium and making drug addicts out of many Chinese and then starting opium war to extract even greater concession out of China.
In other words, there were more than one countries that took advantage out of hell with China in the past.
Edit: And for those who claim that Japan is the worse read this article first before making that statement.
Chiss5618 t1_j1o6eh0 wrote
Not excusing the shit that China has done/is doing, but after you look at Chinese history for the past ~200 years, you can see why they want to be a superpower. It's especially apparent in their propaganda, which always depicts them as the underdogs fighting against the world.
Ok_Yogurtcloset8915 t1_j1o6huz wrote
kind of a silly stance tbh, by those rules it's actually the Qing dynasty that's the rightful government of mainland china
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huhwhuh t1_j1o79o5 wrote
True that. The biggest cause of China's suffering was caused by no external power other than Chairman Mao's revolution. He purged more chinese than any other nation did in China's history. Funny thing is, China's education brainwashes people in thinking that the purge was necessary and Mao was the hero that everyone needed. Oh and other nations bad, very bad.
macross1984 t1_j1o7szx wrote
That I understand. After being stomped to the ground so often it is natural to want to be strong and able to dictate terms instead of receiving it.
This is not only China but every countries had to show strength if they don't want to be taken advantage of.
ScurrilousTruth t1_j1o83qk wrote
Chinese imperialism in action. Japan has records of administering the islands since the late 1800s. The PRC's own government maps referred to the islands by their Japanese name and they made no claim to them for decades. Then oil was discovered in the area and suddenly the PRC has "historical documents" proving their claim.
FlyPenFly t1_j1obfrn wrote
It’ll be interesting to see if China’s mostly unproven but massively growing military will be a paper tiger like Russia or an actual capable force. They’re building up American style carrier groups and fifth generation aircraft.
ChaplnGrillSgt t1_j1obkh2 wrote
Russia - China - North Korea
The New axis of evil. Guess Iran and Belarus too.
El1Zilla t1_j1occem wrote
Don’t worry China (CCP) is going to claim that Japan is part of China next after takeover of Taiwan. They have it all figured out.
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KuriTokyo t1_j1od4b3 wrote
TIL Global power is run by prison rules.
d36williams t1_j1oditq wrote
China's worst enemy heads their government, all power to the government, none to people
Emotional-Coffee13 t1_j1odkiu wrote
So does the west it’s all a circle jerk
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styr t1_j1ofgen wrote
When a British delegation first tried to make diplomatic contact with the Qing in the 1800s, the Imperial eunuchs told the British delegation to get the sitting Queen to come kowtow to their Emperor in person and offer tribute before even allowing the diplomats to speak their demands.
As you can imagine, such a request did not go over well with the Brits and set the tone for both considering the other "barbarians" and created hostilities almost from the get-go.
Vahlir t1_j1ofpyi wrote
And China wonders why Japan just massively upped its defense budget...that will show them they were wrong lol.
Al_Jazzera t1_j1ofxcj wrote
China doesn't have bigger fish to fry?
AllRadioisDead t1_j1ogj1i wrote
america 100% has a face tattoo
TechSquidTV t1_j1oixpn wrote
Japan has a long history of fucking around and finding out, over and over again. This is China though
PandaCheese2016 t1_j1oj238 wrote
History of the islands is pretty interesting and shows how murky territorial claims can be.
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PandaCheese2016 t1_j1ojiqm wrote
Qing and Yuan dynasties were the two “barbarian” dynasties in the eyes of many historical Chinese and quite a few modern day Han nationalists I imagine. Qing rulers were blamed for making China lag behind the West in premodern period, but their claim on Tibet also led to the current boundary of PRC so they can’t just rewrite Qing out of history books.
chadenright t1_j1ojkcu wrote
No, China restrains itself to tiny fish: Taiwan, tibet, racial minorities who are not permitted to protest their genocide, mothers and children who can't fight back.
China shows great restraint in this way.
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InformationHorder t1_j1ok17x wrote
The islands themselves aren't valuable at all. Nothing on em cept bird poop.
This is about who controls the seas around them, and about who is "right". The Chinese see everything in terms of prestige and power. They want them so they can flex and show they don't back down from anything no matter how insignificant.
iPinch89 t1_j1ok5gi wrote
Hi China!
ripperzhang t1_j1okbum wrote
Those are Chinese ships for sure, but are they Japanese islands?
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Die231 t1_j1oli4e wrote
They still lack combat experience
MeNamIzGraephen t1_j1om20s wrote
Iran and Belarus are the Italy and Bulgaria of the present.
FlyPenFly t1_j1om5y0 wrote
You mean rounding up Uyghurs for genocide isn't experience? /s
Mars31415926 t1_j1omgh5 wrote
They already do
El1Zilla t1_j1omklj wrote
They are building artificial islands lol
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Stormwind-Champion t1_j1ooj69 wrote
buT culturAL GeNOcIDe iS STIll gENoCIdE!!1!!
19_equals_1 t1_j1opc82 wrote
well the indigenous people of Taiwan don't have much of a say, the roc stems from the right wing kmt fleeing the mainland
Peet_Pann t1_j1or6dz wrote
Bring tug boats!!! Your brown water army might get stuck
FnordFinder t1_j1orhs6 wrote
Bird poop is actually fairly valuable for agriculture.
LoLModsAreCancer t1_j1osrwz wrote
The US still obeys and enforces international laws.
pxqy t1_j1ostw8 wrote
It’s different and you know that, but going based on you’re profile, I guess I’m just wasting my time.
m4nu t1_j1otup8 wrote
This is my favorite way Westerners say "China doesn't invade random countries and force regime change every five years."
pheonixblade9 t1_j1ou2mi wrote
it was prior to the Haber process being invented. not really important, now.
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kimchifreeze t1_j1ov6l2 wrote
The Guano Islands Act of 1856 is still a thing though. Not f or these islands obviously.
sluttytinkerbells t1_j1ow2hn wrote
Wow that sounds super serious!
When was the last time the US invaded the Hague?
FortheredditLOLz t1_j1owzht wrote
You meant the five year plan of starvation, desperation, and untold deaths. Yeah….it didn’t happen because china said so.
Groundbreaking_Ask81 t1_j1ox5yo wrote
It’s about time we visited the Dutch over their heinous trade deals of US Native American tribes anyway. They bought Manhattan for $30 worth of beads and shells.
ShinyJacket9875 t1_j1oya3u wrote
I remember thay one time they tried expanding border to India... And lost. Shame
jimbalaya420 t1_j1oz5l4 wrote
Whelp, whoever establishes contol over the islands get them. It's been much too long for one side to say it's theirs
purplewhiteblack t1_j1ozxld wrote
The thing about air craft carriers is their time has probably came and gone.
FlyPenFly t1_j1p02di wrote
Meh, they’ll be drone carriers.
ShadowSwipe t1_j1p1rtj wrote
I'm curious if you read your own link. The fact that people informally refer to it as the Hague Invasion Act does not have anything to do with its actual purpose. The US is not going to be invading the Netherlands. Lol
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sunoval2017 t1_j1p30t7 wrote
What confused you? Taiwan is Taiwan people's land and Taiwan is legally an island of China, be is ROC or PRC.
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oakpc2002 t1_j1p503c wrote
Well none of war crimes committed in Iraq and Afghanistan during the second gulf war were investigated….
isthisanxbox t1_j1p530e wrote
except for when nancy pelosi visits taiwan
wolflordval t1_j1p57el wrote
One of the primary chapters in my International Relations class was about US hypocrisy when it comes to laws exactly like this, and it is one of the primary points of contention when dealing with US-China and US-Middle Eastern relations.
The US has not signed the Convention of Law on the Sea, and Congress explicitly stated that the reason they won't sign is because "they do not want to be bound by it."...then of course, they turn around and deploy Carrier groups to demand China comply with the UN law, which China has signed.
The US has great strategic benefits to forcing China's compliance, and refusing to comply with it themselves. It's also funny how US fleets rarely, if ever, enforce the UN convention on their allies. Generally, only strategic "potential combatants" like China or Iran get these laws "enforced" by US Carrier fleets.
China has a lot to fucking answer for, but they are right when they accuse the US of hypocrisy in this regard. The US doesn't really have any weight when they accuse others of breaking a law they themselves refuse to follow.
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isthisanxbox t1_j1p5dh1 wrote
waaaaa westerners aren’t letting me genocide and do blatant land grabs
mrcleaver t1_j1p5hcg wrote
I get China bad, but let's not let that cloud everything to the point of historical revisionism.
Japan effectively annexed the islands during the first Sino-Japanese war, prior to that the oldest historical records even vaguely suggest any claim comes from the Chinese side.
To say that Japan 'administered' the islands since the late 1800s when they basically claimed it as part of a broader imperialistic war and then claiming this is Chinese imperialism in action is just wrong.
mrcleaver t1_j1p5pzu wrote
What makes Japan's claim any more legitimate than Taiwan's or China's? The fact that they started administering it formally as part of an imperialist period in their history in the late 1800s?
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ExplosiveDiarrhetic t1_j1p75fs wrote
Add hong kong unarmed protestors to that list
ExplosiveDiarrhetic t1_j1p7cvd wrote
So you’re saying taiwan owns it
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ExplosiveDiarrhetic t1_j1p7nw4 wrote
CCP loves fucking themselves and blaming others
mgong123 t1_j1p7p0c wrote
Before any further discussion, here is the Wikipedia page on the dispute:
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Senkaku_Islands_dispute
China and Taiwan posit their claims mainly because of their proximity to the islands, and some historical records. Japan stipulates their claims from its late 19th century survey and the islands’ status of terra nullius at the time.
I claim no neutrality to this issue: I’m a US citizen of Chinese descent, and this issue is a sticking point in Sino-Japanese relations and one of the very few things that both Chinas agree and cooperate.
At the end of the day, we are all but humans, and these are just artificial lines and names on the map, but I do think it is important to look a bit more into the claims before further discussions.
ExplosiveDiarrhetic t1_j1p7ufc wrote
Nah. Japan did much more damage to china in ww2 alone. Not even comparable
mrcleaver t1_j1p7vwq wrote
No one owns it because it's disputed. Taiwan's claims are just as legitimate as anyone else's. Read up on the history of the islands. It's no more Japan's than Taiwan's or China's, that's why it's disputed and it's hard to settle the dispute.
What is absolutely true is that Japan currently administers it, and neither Taiwan nor China likes it.
ExplosiveDiarrhetic t1_j1p7vxh wrote
Uh, yes.
Nagger_Luvver t1_j1p8lte wrote
Fuck china and it's dirt pile islands it claims as "china" out in the middle of the ocean.
ExplosiveDiarrhetic t1_j1p8mpx wrote
I am aware of the history
PaxEthenica t1_j1p925v wrote
Has had a teardrop tattoo since 1865.
RedShooz10 t1_j1p98zh wrote
Two things.
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Yes, the US is not a party to the UNCLOS. However, US domestic law holds itself to the standards outlined by the convention making it a de facto party.
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China is in fact a party to the convention, meaning their violations of it are even more egregious than they were already. Saying “but america!” doesn’t get them out of this one.
RedShooz10 t1_j1p9bea wrote
The US isn’t being hypocritical. Domestic law puts the US to the same standard regardless if it’s a signatory or not. Furthermore, China is blatantly breaking the law that they claim to follow.
mrcleaver t1_j1p9id6 wrote
So are you saying being the first to land troops somewhere is the only requirement to declare something as yours?
wolflordval t1_j1pa0dr wrote
No it doesn't. The US does whatever is in its strategic interest, and ignores everything else. Always has.
And China is following the law... from their perspective, all their actions are in compliance with the law. We just disagree about their perspective.
If you take China's claims about the South Sea Islands at face value (you shouldn't because they're bogus, but let's pretend here) then their actions are in compliance with the UN convention. Nobody else agrees with their South Sea Claims, so from everyone else's perspective, they are breaking that law.
Instead of just bickering over if they are breaking the law, which will achieve nothing as both sides are utterly convinced of their correctness, instead we should focus on getting China to withdraw their claims. Just telling them their claims are bunk isn't going to work, especially given how much Chinese culture demands maintaining face and admitting wrongness is not allowed.
We've tried the bully approach for 70 years. It doesn't work.
tlst9999 t1_j1pc38x wrote
Ten years ago, the us wasn't going to elect Donald trump. Things can change.
RedShooz10 t1_j1pd1kx wrote
Yeah I’m starting to get the vibe you didn’t actually read the terms of the Law of the Sea
BestSun4804 t1_j1pd3cf wrote
So, by your logic, China can attack the island and just took it over. And others shouldn't have anything to say because it is not wrong and it is what it is. This is the exact way Japan has a hand on the island.
Then why are you still crying about their dispute?? It is a normal direction it must take, for war to happen. So it is dispute between China and Japan, just let them has war there to decide who finally own it. It is not your issue to care about, that's their fight.
da_impaler t1_j1pdefj wrote
Maintain face?!? Admitting wrongness is not allowed?!? lol, hahahahahaha. Whatever, China. Grow up. That is teenage behavior.
sanzy1988 t1_j1pfm57 wrote
How do you think all territories in the world were claimed? A game of poker?
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m4nu t1_j1pj2gj wrote
A million and a half dead middle easterners in the last decade and not one of those missiles was made in Beijing.
a_man_of_music t1_j1pjiap wrote
>US domestic law holds itself to the standards outlined by the convention making it a de facto party.
So what's their reason for not being part of it?
MindlessVegetation t1_j1pjvaj wrote
...if that obedience or enforcement is in her Interest.The most recent example likely being Torture. Edit, some people seem uncomfortable with this.Too bad.
Some_Yesterday3882 t1_j1pk6iz wrote
Think you are confusion good sir. Taiwan in a free and democratic country, independent of anyone in anything but name it’s self. Countries pay lip service to China on this issue so China can save face, all the while the west sniggers at Chinese ludicrous warnings.
Some_Yesterday3882 t1_j1pkb0l wrote
Maybe to the Chinese people after all the disinformation they are shoveled by the CCP.
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Chinese bots out in force today.
salartarium t1_j1pld9q wrote
The original treaty put the UN in charge of seabed mining, and allowed them to regulate and tax. It would have mainly taxed Western companies who were able to do seabed mining. Also, it originally required technology transfer and American companies would have to share their tech and patents with the whole world. After the collapse of the USSR the US pushed for the treaty to be amended to limit taxation, remove the tech Transfer, and guarantee the US a veto if they joined.
The amendment was enough to convince the W Bush admin to join the treaty, and the ratification process was started in the Senate, but basically what happened is Obama became president and supported it so the Republican Party torpedoed the treaty just to cause disruption.
a_man_of_music t1_j1plv4b wrote
>the Republican Party torpedoed the treaty just to cause disruption
That's disappointing and, honestly, quite childish considering it's international geopolitics.
a_big_fat_yes t1_j1pn0fh wrote
Most of their tech is russian tho, including their carrier, which still isnt operational
macross1984 t1_j1pn7gs wrote
Well here is an article I found where the author gave his opinion on which country did most harm to China and it is not Japan. When I read it I was surprised at his analysis.
ChristopherGard0cki t1_j1po2az wrote
And almost all of them were killed by their fellow arabs
m4nu t1_j1po62s wrote
Lmfao sure thing dubya
ChristopherGard0cki t1_j1pob4h wrote
Who could possibly doubt this? Sectarian violence was the overwhelming cause of the violence in in the ME, and pretty much always has been. I understand the US disrupting the power balance caused a lot of said sectarian violence, but the fact remains that arabs have always been their own worst enemy.
m4nu t1_j1pog6k wrote
All I said was the bullets weren't being made in Beijing. They're not being made in Bagdad either.
ChristopherGard0cki t1_j1pohtg wrote
Oh how clever, as if anyone doubted what you were implying. Sick back pedal.
sunoval2017 t1_j1pojux wrote
Free bullshit, democratic fantasy in some's wet dreams. I was born in Taiwan, educated in the US so I know a thing or two about the island. Taiwan was not, is not and never will be a country. Hell, it was not even qualified as a province but administered as part of Fujian in our history. My family made huge sacrifices for ROC and it hurts my soul to say it didn't work out. But she is dead and ought to be put out of her misery. Taiwan is unfinished business and that's all. By the way, this small game called democratic election could be played in Taiwan because it is allowed by the US and China. KMT is a failure party from almost the beginning and DPP is a mini CCP but doesn't learn it's merits yet. Shame
m4nu t1_j1poptm wrote
If a guard at Auschwitz asked to buy a bullet from you, you'd quote the price and call it a day. No blood on your hands, no sir.
ChristopherGard0cki t1_j1posf4 wrote
Are you actually too dumb to know that most all of the gullets fired were made for Soviet-era weapons?
Some_Yesterday3882 t1_j1pov4t wrote
The fact that you can even vote for the KMT or DDP speaks volumes to my point.
bocephus607 t1_j1pp0b5 wrote
They’ll grow up one of these generations I’m sure of it. 🤞🏻
cjeam t1_j1pps37 wrote
Trickle down economics will eventually start working I’m sure of it 🤞🏻
taggospreme t1_j1pqfne wrote
'Law of the Sea'? Do you mean like... the implication?
eXAKR t1_j1pruh5 wrote
So, how much is Winnie the Pooh paying you to spread his propaganda on this site?
meamarker24 t1_j1psolg wrote
Even from the most jaded point of view, there’s so much evidence and so many examples of US servicemen being prosecuted for war crimes in Iraq and Afghanistan
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the_brightest_prize t1_j1pt73k wrote
This attention is exactly what China was looking for with the stunt. So stop giving them press.
B_Eazy86 t1_j1pte6r wrote
The UN could say no but they never would...because of the implication
oakpc2002 t1_j1pu32a wrote
The most jade point of view will be that those are prosecuted in American court with American laws and cases were pursue selectively
username001999 t1_j1pvabm wrote
China is simply conducting freedom of navigation exercises.
C0lMustard t1_j1pwlv0 wrote
Come on man you're putting the shills out of work.
C0lMustard t1_j1pwpcu wrote
Was Rittenhouse kidnapping protestors in the dead of night?
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Meryhathor t1_j1px9zk wrote
What is their problem? Why can't they calm down and just live their lives? Constantly nagging Taiwan, now Japan. You would think it's 2022 out there, not 1922.
scotchdouble t1_j1q3pno wrote
Right-wing thinking will eventually start working, I’m sure of it. 🤞🏻
Devourer_of_felines t1_j1q6hoa wrote
Considering every major naval power in the world is still building them, that’s unlikely.
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Sayonara, bitches
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Karffs t1_j1qcbc3 wrote
>No it doesn't. The US does whatever is in its Chinese culture demands maintaining face and admitting wrongness is not allowed.
In most international cultures admitting when you’re wrong is part of being a fucking adult.
space81cadet t1_j1qgork wrote
I did not realize this was an article about rittenhouse.
Just in case you lost it
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TheOneEyedWolf t1_j1qjiu3 wrote
Was George Bush prosecuted for the illegal invasion of Iraq? How many dollars in reparations have been paid?
jinglepepper t1_j1qo3vy wrote
>sitting Queen to come kowtow to their Emperor in person
I’m gonna need a source for that b/c that’s not how the tributary system in China worked. Never did the kings of Dai Nam (Vietnam), Joseon (Korea), or other tributary states personally come to Beijing nor were they required to. Instead, the diplomatic convoy made the token recognition and brought gifts, then they received gifts from the Chinese emperor in return, usually of much higher value. It was such a profitable exercise that some tributary states would send convoys multiple times a year until the emperor had to limit their visits. So unless there’s something special about the queen of England to warrant special treatment I can’t see how a personal visit was demanded
Substantial_Term_468 t1_j1qsce2 wrote
Yeah, they definitely view those bird poop islands as an economic asset, planning the mining operations as we speak. 🙄
Drachefly t1_j1qwcgw wrote
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Genocide_definitions
There is no slippery slope here - the oldest definition given is one of the more expansive ones and closest to what I think of as genocide. And when I was in elementary school some 30 years ago, that was pretty much the definition we worked with.
Drachefly t1_j1qwnc8 wrote
… switch those dates?
Apple_Pie_4vr t1_j1qx0j0 wrote
Are they just trying to get attention away from the covid situation, that they caused, in China at this point?
ComradeOmarova t1_j1qylui wrote
Yeah, it’s also not accurate. There’s a reason the Democrat-controlled Senate has never brought it to the floor. Democrats don’t support ratification either.
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ExplosiveDiarrhetic t1_j1rmd7x wrote
Japan administered the islands in the 1800’s. USA, after occupying japan, returned them to japan.
If anything, the taiwan government has more of a claim than china. China has zero claim. But of the three, japan has more of a claim.
Also being the most recent owner tends to be how the world works. Native americans havent been given back america. Its impossible to go back in time. End of the day, the current administrator is japan.
ExplosiveDiarrhetic t1_j1rmrlf wrote
Russia is a shitty paper tiger. Has been for anyone paying attention. Stop white washing japan’s crimes. They raped and murdered millions upon millions of chinese. The only one comparable that did as much damage was mao himself.
Simres t1_j1s9t67 wrote
True, for more fact and examples, the history of the island nation Nauru in the pacific is quite interesting
Chubbybellylover888 t1_j1sjc0k wrote
You can't criticise the US here. Even if its to criticise an unpopular president.
Americans are the best people ever and answer to no one. The USA is the neatest country in the world.
All other countries are little whiny babies who are jealous.
johndoe30x1 t1_j1sstlh wrote
Ah yes, the Empire of Japan, a well-known non-imperialist state
nanoatzin t1_j1stnpc wrote
This sounds kind of James Bondish, but it may be possible to make a large submarine for coastal defense using AI that can rise up under the trespassing ship and float it into port to take possession.
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Happycamper385 t1_j1uqfuo wrote
You can criticise The USA here you are free to make any critique you like.
That doesn't mean people will agree with you.
TheOneEyedWolf t1_j1v1897 wrote
If you look closely my comment did not criticize the USA. It questioned the credulity of the redditor who claimed that the United States held themselves to the standards of international law. Something the United States does not claim to do on an official level. The USA does not believe that they should have to be restrained from acting in their own interests by international law. Maybe they are correct. Many would say that international law is simply a tool of Europe, put in place to enforce post colonial norms in the post WWII world order.
It is easier to believe the comforting lies we tell ourselves than it is to accept complicated truths. This is not criticism - I enjoy comfort as much as anyone. However if it is truth that you after the truth is that first strike wars are illegal according to international law and the Iraq war was illegal. According to that same law anyone who prosecuted that war should be accountable for war crimes - that would include not only George Bush, but Barak Obama, and the leadership of all 49 countries that participated.
Was it the correct action? That is clearly up to debate. Was it “legal” - that answer is no.
Happycamper385 t1_j1vkhfr wrote
Huh ?
I wasn't responding to you I was responding to the person that said you can't criticise The USA here. Which you can do and you are doing.
TheOneEyedWolf t1_j1vm8gy wrote
How am I criticizing the US?
Happycamper385 t1_j1vqwlo wrote
Dude go read the thread I didn't say anything to you I responded to somebody else !
TheOneEyedWolf t1_j1vs82a wrote
You just said that I am criticizing the USA.
Happycamper385 t1_j1vtlm9 wrote
Chubbybellylover888 said:
> You can't criticise the US here. Even if its to criticise an unpopular president. Americans are the best people ever and answer to no one. The USA is the neatest country in the world. All other countries are little whiny babies who are jealous.
And I responded to that by saying: >You can criticise The USA here you are free to make any critique you like. That doesn't mean people will agree with you.
Then you chimed in completely unrelated:
>If you look closely my comment did not criticize the USA. It questioned the credulity of the redditor who claimed that the United States held themselves to the standards of international law. Something the United States does not claim to do on an official level. The USA does not believe that they should have to be restrained from acting in their own interests by international law. Maybe they are correct. Many would say that international law is simply a tool of Europe, put in place to enforce post colonial norms in the post WWII world order.
It is easier to believe the comforting lies we tell ourselves than it is to accept complicated truths. This is not criticism - I enjoy comfort as much as anyone. However if it is truth that you after the truth is that first strike wars are illegal according to international law and the Iraq war was illegal. According to that same law anyone who prosecuted that war should be accountable for war crimes - that would include not only George Bush, but Barak Obama, and the leadership of all 49 countries that participated.
Was it the correct action? That is clearly up to debate. Was it “legal” - that answer is no.
9 year old Reddit account and I'm explaining how Reddit works to you ?
Did you buy your account or something or are you confused and Chubbybellylover888 is your alt account?
Or is this some weird troll ?
TheOneEyedWolf t1_j1vvq8z wrote
Do you really not understand how conversations work? Read your above comment again and see if you can’t follow the thread that connects them. After that look a few steps after where you respond to me saying that I can and did criticize the USA. Which I did not. I merely stated that according to the UN charter, wars of aggression are illegal. The war in Iraq was a war of aggression. The war in Iraq was illegal. If you believe that legality matters and that the USA should be criticized for violating a law that is in you. If you believe that the USA is wrong to hold the position that they are not bound by international law, that is on you.
Of course I see that you weren’t responding to me - but why would that prevent me from clarifying a position further along in a conversation?
Edit: I apologize for asking if you understand how a conversation works. In reflection that was rude of me.
Happycamper385 t1_j1w3p4m wrote
You are correct I misspoke/mistyped here it should actually be:
>Huh ?
I wasn't responding to you I was responding to the person that said you can't criticise The USA here. Which you can do and you they are doing.
But I don't care about the USA or the UN or Iraq I am neither here nor there about anything you said that's why I didn't comment on it. I don't care if you critique the USA or you praise the USA the only thing I do care about is what chubbybellylover888 said which was that you can't criticise The USA here which is not true.
This comment: >"If you look closely my comment did not criticize the USA. It questioned the credulity of the redditor who......"
should have been a reply to this: >Chubbybellylover888:"You can't criticise the US here. Even if its to criticise an unpopular President...."
It shouldn't have been a response to me saying: >You can criticise The USA here you are free to make any critique you like. That doesn't mean people will agree with you.
TheOneEyedWolf t1_j1w497z wrote
I can see how you would interpret the conversation that way.
Happycamper385 t1_j1w8ceo wrote
I'm glad we both now understand each other.
Have a great day !
coreywindom t1_j1xvkw0 wrote
Isn’t that what missiles were made for
macross1984 t1_j1n7ya2 wrote
I know it is tit-for-tat but maybe Japan should reciprocate? For sure China will be pretty pissed if they get same treatment it does to other countries.