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strontiumdogs t1_j1aeics wrote

How naive. Just answer the one about people in high rise buildings.

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ngwoo t1_j1b07mu wrote

How do people in high rise buildings fuel their car now without the gas pump that all homeowners have in their garage

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Dazzling-Ad4701 t1_j1bi9k9 wrote

To start off, I'll just say that I'm all about this idea. I don't think we have any alternative to getting off the fossil fuels.

Now I've said that:. I think the query about apartment/condo dwellers doesneed to be addressed, although I don't think it's insurmountable. I fuel my current car at a gas station of, but it takes me 5-10 minutes. Idk how long charging takes, but I assume it's too long for the gas station parallel to work.

As I said, I think there can be answers. Just don't think ”gas station" is the answer.

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bigcaprice t1_j1cb03q wrote

If you absolutely can't charge where you live the answer is wherever people drive with their cars. I rented an EV for a week. I was concerned about charging because where I was staying didn't have a suitable outlet. I ended up charging at the grocery store for a half hour while I was shopping. It was way more convenient than a gas station. Took 10 seconds to plug in and it was ready when I was done.

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dadude100 t1_j1b5y9n wrote

When I lived in an apt my stall had a plug…. I’m guessing it’s pretty common, if not they can always retrofit. Hassle, but not a dealbreaker.

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koosley t1_j1bvg63 wrote

You can always go to a traditional super charger if absolutely necessary as well. They take a bit longer than a gas station but they're available. Destination chargers exist at many of the major shopping centers or grocery stores or restaurants.

There is so many ways to solve this problem depending on your life style. People just have to breakout of the gas station analogy and think of them more as cell phones. A majority of the time you'll just do it over night. Other times you just pop them in the charging boxes at target and shop while it charges.

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UrbanArcologist t1_j1aiq64 wrote

I live in apartment, not a big deal. Not like people have gas stations at home.

Being able to charge at home is something gas cars cannot match, fast charging isn't a problem at all.

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Jahobes t1_j1as70y wrote

Far out. I mean how do you even park your car without a dedicated parking spot? Lmao

If you can't charge from home then you will just have to charge at public chargers.

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mattbuford t1_j1b9cpr wrote

What are you going to be doing that you expect to spend hours at the 15-20 minute charger? Slow multi-hour chargers do exist. Those are the ones you use when you're not waiting. When you are waiting, you use the fast charger.

But really, the answer is to put in chargers where the on-street parking is. Then you don't have to wait.

Or, if you reeeeeeealy can't do either of the above for some reason, then you may be a good candidate to buy a hybrid. The EV mandate allows new hybrids to be sold.

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mattbuford t1_j1bh0e7 wrote

Probably the most common mistake people make when looking at EV charging is asking how long for a full charge and then thinking that's how long they will spend waiting, either charging in town or during cross country trips. The answer for a full charge is I don't know, because getting a full charge is an action that no sane person would do while waiting, except perhaps in a few rare circumstances where they are desperate for every mile of range they can get. The way you charge EVs is that you almost never charge above 80% when you're waiting. 5% to 80% is quick. 80% to 100% takes forever. Just charge to 80% and leave and get on with your life. Only charge above 80% when you're not waiting (busy eating at a restaurant while the car charges, or sleeping, or whatever).

There are older tech EVs that can not fast charge, or that have a very slow idea of fast charging, but it's safe to assume that by the time any of these EV mandates kick in that newer model years will be even faster. The situation today is very different from 2 years ago, and the situation 2 years in the future will be very different from now.

In general, EVs are a bit more convenient for day-to-day life when you're not on a road trip (never wait at all in your home area, not even the 5 minutes a gas car takes, because it just charges while you sleep), and a bit less convenient on road trips (maybe 10% slower travel time).

A lot of the snark is just frustration. There are tons of EV owners traveling across the continent every day without issue. But every single social media post about EVs ends up brigaded with a hundred replies saying something like "LOL imagine driving across the country! You could only go 100 miles a day, then you'd have to get a hotel for your 12 hour recharge!" Never mind that there are already plenty of EVs already doing NYC to LA in under 48 hours. It's easy to get jaded at all the replies saying the same false things over and over again. While there are some people, like yourself, that are interested in actually learning, most of them quickly make it clear that they're not interested in learning at all. It's hard to tell them apart until you're a few replies in. :)

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strontiumdogs t1_j1aj2s8 wrote

I'm not sure you understand the question. Never mind tho. Let's just make everyone but EV's and forget about it.

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derKestrel t1_j1ahivq wrote

Electric buses, trams and bikes.

If you live in a high rise, at least here, you are in the inner city and have your choice of bus, tram bike or even walk.

Most of my colleagues live in the inner city and have commutes under 10km and do not use their cars, if they even own one. And money is not the issue for them (work is related to legal matters). And while I do own a car, I drive less than 5k km per year with it, most of this to visit family about 600km away. I don't use it to commute.

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strontiumdogs t1_j1aitb4 wrote

Lucky you. Unfortunately I live in a high rise 30km from work. As do thousands more. Believe me I'd love EV to be practical for all vehicle users. I just don't believe we are ready yet to enforce a doctrine for everyone. I know they say for new cars but they just make it impossible to get older cars through emissions checks etc. Anyone on a low income may never be able to afford an EV. What do they do. Get priced out of travel. Plus few places have cheap public transport.

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derKestrel t1_j1cn12l wrote

And because your country favoured individual traffic, you cannot get around without a car. I do understand that.

My personal experience is limited to certain regions of Germany, France, The Netherlands, Japan, and China, all of which had more or less comfortable connections for public transport from high rise areas to working places.

But you might also have noticed that the demand is for a percentage of new sales to be EV, so not a hard cut off. There will be pressure to enable public transport and to build cheaper or different personnel transport solutions.

Your argumentation, while probably 100% valid now in your case, is ignoring the pressures on society this law will cause. Our way of living has to change, but we will have to see how well we deal with the change.

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strontiumdogs t1_j1cnz98 wrote

Well put. Let's hope governments are willing and able to invest in the public transport required. However as a person of age, I find public transport good to a point. I start work at 4 am when there is no public transport what so ever. Also it's not great for things like shopping and moving my family around. I'd love to be environmentally sound, but the way life in general is set up it needs more evolutionary time or huge investment. Which I'm not sure government or people in general can provide quickly.

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derKestrel t1_j1cqlfk wrote

One of the many problems is that we have been pushing the problem in front of us for so long, while it becomes just more and more urgent and almost exponentially more expensive the longer we wait.

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MidianFootbridge69 t1_j1aw24o wrote

>Anyone on a low income may never be able to afford an EV. What do they do. Get priced out of travel. Plus few places have cheap public transport.

Exactly.

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swordfish1221 t1_j1apdx2 wrote

Idk taking a bike in -40 blizzard doesn’t sound fun.

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derKestrel t1_j1cn5eq wrote

My experience is limited to Germany, The Netherlands, Japan, China and France, only down to -10 Celsius.

Biking in the snow is never a good solution, unless you have spikes.

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MidianFootbridge69 t1_j1avrhc wrote

There is also the issue of those of us that live in Rural Areas in high rise Buildings.

Our Public Transportation sucks (runs from 6am-6pm) and doesn't frequently go out of Town.

No Commuter Rail.

Riding a Bike can be dangerous around here too, lol and Disabled People will have a tough time walking to and fro (if they can walk at all).

There are a lot more variations of that theme.

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derKestrel t1_j1cno5g wrote

That is a major failure of city planning.

A law introducing electric transport by rising percentages will definitely put pressure for change on the situation. Here's to hope for better connections for you.

In the regions of China, Japan, Germany, Netherlands and France I have lived in, High Rise areas were always connected at least somewhat decently.

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