Deep-Mention-3875 t1_j6k3jq1 wrote on January 30, 2023 at 10:02 PM

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There isnt.

But if we destory the person liveryhood of people doing this then other people would be discouraged to also do this.

People dont understand how devastating being sanctioned and blacklisted by the US federal govt really is. If there is a $1 of federal funding on the entire chain any sanctioned person is not allowed to participate. These people would be barred from interacting with ANY entity that deals with the federal govt.

axonxorz t1_j6l0qq3 wrote on January 31, 2023 at 1:54 AM

Yeah that's not the silver bullet you think it is. As with other China firms, a lot are willing to skirt sanctions as they will never have to deal with a US Federal Government contract.

Deep-Mention-3875 t1_j6l2um0 wrote on January 31, 2023 at 2:10 AM

Sure but even chinese companies that interact with american/western companies wont be able to hire them. Eventually ccp has to hire them and how many can ccp support? 100k? 1 million? 10 million?

axonxorz t1_j6l3z08 wrote on January 31, 2023 at 2:18 AM

> Sure but even chinese companies that interact with american/western companies wont be able to hire them.

There are a billion people in China. If we were to assume they had half the rate of business ownership as the US, there are somewhere in the realm of 12 MILLION enterprises. That's a massive number. The majority of those are tiny, and will never have to interact with the Fed, or any Western company in any way whatsoever. It's massively Americentric to think otherwise.

> Eventually ccp has to hire them and how many can ccp support?

Up to and including literally every single worker, based on how big enterprise is legislated with regards to it's CCP "relationship"

Deep-Mention-3875 t1_j6l6ke4 wrote on January 31, 2023 at 2:37 AM

> There are a billion people in China. If we were to assume they had half the rate of business ownership as the US, there are somewhere in the realm of 12 MILLION enterprises. That's a massive number. The majority of those are tiny, and will never have to interact with the Fed, or any Western company in any way whatsoever. It's massively Americentric to think otherwise.

Sure ofc US cant 100% stop them but sanctioning every single executive known to be doing this and continuously applying pressure will likely overwhelm the operation to reduce their effectiveness. Unless you’re a chinese peasant in a remote village most likely somewhere along the supply chain they interact with some sort of a western company. Sanctions are effective but will take time and effort.

> Up to and including literally every single worker, based on how big enterprise is legislated with regards to it's CCP "relationship"

Lol nah no way. A sanctioned worker is pretty much useless in a high tech sector. And if ccp decide to support millions of them even better, that will sap their finances.