real mature analysis, thanks bro...

I think that's pretty true of AV people in general, rather than watching content we just care about specs. It's cringe but it's addicting I guess.

Sometimes I am contrarian to see what people think, but I don't think that fairly represents the specific context of my engagement with the community on the 8xx.

my lord, I don't strongly believe in differences between cables or sources. Idk what you're referencing on "source memes", but for the cable, I just said I heard treble region differences with specific iems and specific cables for them. I was curious one day and tried to switch my cables between my cheaper and more expensive iem, just to see if there was any difference, and I heard a more piercing treble spike when I used a different cable with the same iem. That's just my own ears or brain, not an objective scientific statement.

I only use my headphones with one amp/dac setup, I don't use them with anything else. I was asking people about tube amps, since I was still skeptical on those. I have no idea what these headphones would sound like on anything outside my own setup, but I don't think the amp/dac plays a huge role in sound differences. Crinacle stated that after trying various dac/amp combinations, he didn't hear a difference for the 8xx or at least no improvements, so I don't feel that's a good starting point and trusted his comment on that.

ok I won't stand by other things I said. the copper silver thing was specifically around using the official Fiio stock silver cables for the Fh7 or Fd7 iems, switched out with a cheaper copper wire from another stock cable of some other iem. I claimed I heard differences in the treble region, no improvements to sound quality.

they can disagree with me all they want, but there was no need to dogpile on me with insults and penalties.

now regarding the sound, I never tested the 800 so I won't say it's better, but my research showed that the general consensus was that 800s officially improved upon the 800 sound signature, and since I was able to compare my 8xx to an 800s, I felt comfortable stating that if the 8xx sounds as good or better than 800s with eq and mods, that it would in fact also sound better than an 800. But I disclosed that I never tested that theory.

At 10:30 timestamp on Crinacle's video about the 8xx titled "goodn't," he expressely stated that the build, resolution, and imaging were essentially the same but were hindered by the tuning changes. He later stated that eqing the headphone gains his approval for a minimum recommendation. Since he didn't perform all these different tests or mods, he was not sure how it would affect the headphone. He only compared stock performance. And also, he stated that 8xx had A+ technicalities in his written review, but because of D- tuning it gained a C average ranking score. So I don't think I was misleading anyone with my statements.

Also, many more official and trusted outlets have recommended the 8XX as a consumer product, including other popular headphone reviewers. You could say those people are shilling a product for money, but many of them don't get compensated for the review on this headphone and only gain haters from communities like Crin's. So if you acknowledge this, then please don't accuse me of having wrong ideas about headphones when similar opinions are widely expressed among the community.

I would rather hash it out with people directly in a discussion, but these toxic cringe members on discord don't really believe in that, so one can only defend themselves on another public forum. And my intention isn't just to defend myself, but to expose a wrong and to hold a group with power in a community accountable.

Is it really hard for people not to assume things? I'm not a Sharur fan, I was a member of the server purely for entertatinment. In fact I never agreed with them about their views on Crin. After my experience, I thought they would appreciate hearing about my experience but they didn't. People just don't care to hear out someone who wasn't towing the line with a group. It's sad that people don't give everyone a fair shot, but I know I can't expect people to be as unbiased and critical as a courtroom.

What wrong ideas? Why is it wrong to ask other people for validation. What gave you the power to be the sole arbiter of truth about headphones?

You could share measurements and graphs, and those can be reliable, but everyone gets different measurements. Also, you have to trust that the person correctly modded and measured the product. Even the people who are best at measuring make mistakes on measurements, both crinacle and oratory had issues in the past. I would still trust their measurements, but in this one case, oratory was the only measurement I saw and he admitted he didn't fully remove an adhesive material that was impacting the tuning. When I asked him about this, he admitted that if he was able to fully remove it, it would have changed the sound to some degree but he didn't get that far. I could see how this amount of effort turns off many people, but some people are willing to put in work for something if they're saving money.

Also there was no definitive proof about the objectivity of claims, I can't objectively prove that modding the 8xx would make it the same as the 800s or whatever, I only said it was my experience and that I personally recommended it. Why is it wrong to express a recommendation, I'm not a reviewer or license holder, I'm just another audio consumer sharing their beliefs about a product.

I just don't understand the mentality that it's somehow wrong for someone to debate opinions about a headphone product in a headphone product community. I don't have a right to defend my opinions? Also the accusation of false statements, I just don't understand how it can be said that I gave any false statements about my defense of the headphone. I don't mind if people disagreed with me aboout it, I mind that people were toxic especially the people who are supposed to be unbiased and moderate rules for things like harassment or bad behavior, not headphone opinions. If my opinion was bad, let them state it was bad and leave it alone.

Now yes I pushed some buttons with overspeaking on the topic, but only to defend myself against their accusations. For things unrelated to the headphone topic, I admitted fault. I still think it's toxic behavior on their part.

So my point is, it isn't the best headphone, but I think it deserves to be part of someone's collection, if they're willing to make some accommodations in exchange for savings on price.

The other reason is, almost everyone that bought the 8xx has liked it, and those who tried EQ or modding ended up saying that it improved the sound substantially to their liking. I know there are many other great headphones out there, but the 800 line is very unique in what it is. It's one of the only ones with the sennheiser-like signature sound, with unique features in how it presents soundstage/imaging and orchestral/classical music.

I would love for drop to have released it the way everyone wanted it. I don't agree with how it was made at stock either. I just think, if you want an 800s but you wanted to save money, it would've made sense to try the 8xx. Sure you might be able to find used 800s or an 800 itself with SDR modded, but it's better to have a store-backed product in new condition (although many don't trust Drop even though the parts are compatible with Sennheiser's materials), and the 800 might be great but isn't the 800s. So i think it's a good value for people trying to save in the 1000 range.

I've realized it myself after my experience. I still will listen to Crinacle's opinions because he's a respected reviewer and audio expert. I'm not close to either of those things, but I can comprehend reading his reviews and sharing my interpretation of his messages. In my recollection, I found that he felt it wasn't a good enough product on its own to recommend but if people were interested, it could still be improved if they wanted to save money. I think that's a fair and valid opinion.

Just look at the relevant facts. You decide what you think about the 8XX from your own research. But the behavior of their members speaks for itself, you can see how they treat people who promote an audio product they dislike or misunderstand. It doesn't matter if I was even wrong about the topic, they were still very toxic and it's inexcusable behavior.

Sharur dislikes Crinacle, and I don't agree with his opinions, but they are willing to listen about criticism of his community. I respect Crinacle, but I don't respect his toxic community and mods.

Before I was banned, I was kicked. When I was kicked, I was able to see one channel with pinned comments like those. After an hour, I was banned because the mods saw me complaining about the server in other places.

I'll disclose that I got banned for sharing unrelated opinions, but that further shows that the community and moderation are just toxic. I think one has a right to be angry about being treated in such a way when you were just contributing to the community.

I'm not able to post what I personally posted or other comments because they banned me from the server. I would gladly be transparent about it, let them share whatever they want. It's hard for one person to defend themselves against a mob when it's easy for people to side with the party that has more people. Literally, mob mentality.

I can defend my statements in a court, but biased mods and other toxic individuals speak as if they alone determine what is true.