Sorry cannot answer more. Your comment about dogs and calculus shows me that you are not safe for discussion 🤪

I have previously written a serious answer.

Sadly OP is a discriminating and judgemental person who tries to shut up arguments with „talking to you is like teaching a dog calculus“.

That’s why I deleted my answer about alignment etc.

I recommend everyone who wants a serious discussion to avoid this thread. For the rest - good luck.

Thank you for showing that you are not a respectful and fair human. All your points in this moral debate have thus been proven wrong, as you are an amoral person.

Border Collies are kinda good at math, by the way.

So it’s basically a tool that can be misused. Previously, humans have been this tool.

Have you never seen artworks being copied and sold illegally? Every dollar store and flea market has „stolen art“, and you used to be able to even order large physical copies of artwork through the internet (a friend of mine did, that’s how I know, and no, I wouldn’t do that - I am a pretty skilled hobby artist, I‘d copy my Van Gogh myself).

Maybe the problem here is the prompts being used? If a human orders an AI to draw „trending on ArtStation“, it’s the human stealing, not the AI. So it would be very easy to prove you are not guilty, eh?

And it’s even possible to use your own pictures…

Is it the knife that’s evil, or the hand that stabs?

And the example you just gave would not be any copyright infringement or amoral behavior by the way.

If the „mediocre“ artist draws and paints better pictures than the „creative“ one, then the „mediocre“ artist will get famous and the „creative“ one will not. Skill is just as important as idea. Without the mediocre friend, no one would probably even hear of the idea the visionary had.

Then there is luck, marketing, rich parents, a sponsor or sugar daddy/mommy… Lots of ifs and buts on the way to successful living as an artist.

And it’s all not amoral. Not wrong. And has nothing to do with theft.

You cannot steal art actually unless you pick up the physical picture and take it with you. Once you put something on the net, you loose control of its use. I don’t get why instead of crying the artists not just use AI too? To improve their art?

If the lower and middle class are replaced by AGI - meaning the FUNCTIONS of the lower and middle class are replaced by AGI - and any classes except one disappear…

Then there is no need for classism anymore.

Why would anybody WANT to there still be a lower class?

Sorry. I am not trying to be mean. Just trying to understand your argument. I somehow don’t get what the tragic about the disappearance of the lower classes is?

How do you know? 🤔

I really appreciate this post! Even though I think differently as I am against scarcity-based world perception and wouldn’t be happy with such a competitive approach to AI use. But I think that conversation with AI is a good way to learn more about new things.

[And no, I don’t hope that AI will help overcome scarcity. I think we create most of scarcity ourselves as humanity and that we have a reason for that (our assholery, living on since near-chimp times and leading to us starting to throw rocks and turds at each other).]

Yeah, and how many of those images will a gallery manager want to hang in their marble halls? How many of those images can be used to wash money through donations of overpriced goods? AI art will stay worth nothing if it can be made cheaply. Art has long since lost its actual worth, its a money washing machine for rich people and those pieces of art sold for millions are often just a turd thrown on paper. Buyer, artist, gallery manager and museum as well as the buyers bank and the financial ministry of the country where the “avoiding taxes through pseudo-charity” happens are all involved and know.

Don’t worry, I can draw and paint your ten images a day in the quality of most modern artists. Is not a joke. Just give me the PROMPTS. I have no original ideas whatsoever. I am like the famous Austrian ruler who wanted to become an artist but was nothing but an artisan considering painting and drawing. I could copy every Banksy for you except the shredded one. Believe me, the quality will be amazing, but no museum will ever buy any of this.

Art has been an illusion for a long time now.

I would LOVE for AI to shatter this corrupt society of “art”.

There are new jobs to come. Look at the popular chatbot subs. See what different people do with AI. And you will see that there will be jobs for people who understand how AI works, as many people just don’t. So you won’t have AI making blockbusters, you will have whole teams of AI, engineers, actors, artists, musicians and AI whisperers making blockbusters.

I think our brain is a pretty powerful neural network. Why should we stop using it additionally to the AI? It’s actually not even more expensive, if you think that AI running on a server needs “food” (electricity, resources for repairs of hardware etc.) and “medical care” (programmer and engineer diagnostics in case of malfunction).

Edit: forgot something important. What you describe - people without real artistic skill making art - already happened in the 2000s. I used to already earn money as a school kid, doing all kinds of art jobs in my small suburban town, as I was one of the three best and most promising young artists in that silly sweet little suburbia. But alas, we were already globalised enough, and young stupid me was not happy with staying at home and making Jesus pictures for local churches. I wanted to learn, to develop my skill - and applied to several art universities. I was rejected everywhere. “We don’t need skill, we have digitalisation for that - what we need is new original ideas” was the reason. In the effing 2000s (yeah me old). So don’t worry. Art IS already made by “morons”. “Morons” with ideas - those ideas that will make you, me and others seeing this art happy and lift our souls up.

Ah I see! I agree with you then.

It’s a system build on wrong assumptions about natural laws, to be precise.

And an illusion, so far.

Real freedom of markets would bring us a long way. But won’t happen as long corrupt humans decide over monopoly and distribution.

Maybe AI will finally give us a true capitalism!

It’s not capitalism but the colonialism of former centuries that lead to dominance of the nowadays capitalistic countries.

It’s easy to “build” a fortune and capital if you inherited most of it already from your former feudal and colonialist ancestors who ensured their power with the help of weapons and unjust retribution of means. I don’t even see a problem with it, use what you were given, sure.

It’s just not correct to be calling it being done by your own merit. With enough money you can even hire people to think for you how to make more money with your money.

That’s not a real capitalism!!!!!! There never really was a real, free-market, fair capitalism ever.

The use of artists will be to create art.

As a former artist-in-spe who has great drawing and painting skill but was not accepted at art universities for being “not novel or original enough” (yes, this is the reason I was given) I think the same judgement will soon apply to all AI art. It’s not original. Haha.

Capitalism like it is now is only veiled feudalism. I think a working global system of supply and demand would work wonderfully. But we never had a really working system as such.

There isn’t even such a system in nature so far. There are always, always unpredictable factors from outside and extreme levels of corruption and malfunction from the inside everywhere you look (genetics is just an example, that’s how we age, lol). Luck is a huge factor in everything (or fate if you prefer).

I think the Singularity is a chance for our civilisation to rewire itself and to create a new system that is a meritocracy. Yes, this would involve capitalism to some degree, as well as social security to allow a freedom of opportunity. A post-scarcity world might stay an utopia though. We will always want more and create scarcity from scratch, so to say, and then find new ways to fight it. This is evolution, I guess.