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Archamasse t1_j2awg0z wrote

The sequel was way better than it got credit for, imho, and Bridget really comes into her own as a fascinating character both distinct from and similar to Ginger.

Tatiana Maslany was already great then, and it's fun to follow the many threads from these movies to Orphan Black.

Agree about Ginger Snaps Back. It's just okay, but never quite seems to spark.

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Archamasse t1_j2agsl3 wrote

Cameron was emailing rewrites straight to set throughout the shoot, in lieu of his usual practice of handing cast members his rewrites before yelling action himself.

Miller has also described having to film at least one scene he didn't want at all, along with a bunch of comedy stuff Cameron insisted on (though most of that got cut later). The crashing plane, the stuff about Dani being Grace’s foster mom, and Arnie's involvement were all Cameron, and Miller's preferred version of the Future War was vetoed by Cameron.

That's why the movie has a slightly schizophrenic feel. Miller had more control over the first half than the second one.

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Archamasse t1_j28dwnr wrote

I very strongly feel like Miller shot the movie as if that was a given. I don't think it was meant to be a reveal as far as he was concerned.

I think Cameron or the studio came along afterwards and tried to retcon it into a twist largely by the editing.

I think the reason they had to do something like that was because they cut (and reshot) chunks of the movie, I suspect to try to prevent anyone reading Grace and Dani as a romance. All that stuff about Dani raising Grace comes from voiceover, and the cheap looking scene of Dani finding her as a kid is a reshoot pasted over a far better scene that links into Grace’s death scene later.

(For the record I really like it anyway.)

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Archamasse t1_j11z052 wrote

The Owl House covers a lot of stuff in this vein.

Luz mourns her dad, Eda deals with what can be compared to a chronic physical or mental illness, and there's a lot of stuff about complicated family dynamics that's handled with a lot of grace.

S2 also has the characters only very barely preventing a Puritan dictator from committing genocide.

It handles some pretty heady stuff very elegantly, so naturally Disney decided it's not their brand and cancelled it.

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Archamasse t1_iyd4un2 wrote

>I think games are now the new way of giving audiences adult animation

That's a really interesting point. Love, Death and Robots is Tim Miller's baby, but apart from Deadpool and Terminator more people have probably seen his stuff for Mass Effect or the Arkham games.

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Archamasse t1_iy1dhx3 wrote

They mentioned this bit in the commentary, and it was the first time I ever noticed it. Iirc, they admit they bullshitted a little and hoped people wouldn't care.

I thought that was fascinating, because it worked so well on me - it's such a blatant plot hole, in the true, non CinemaSins bullshit sense, but the movie's so engaging it hardly matters.

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Archamasse t1_ixk7x9z wrote

That's odd. The very stupidest people on the internet have been insisting there's a widespread cover up and no investigation of this case that's already being adapted and has in fact been under investigation for some time.

I could swear they get louder about it every time Elon Musk does something stupid, too. Coincidence eh.

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Archamasse t1_iuj5mku wrote

He believed that the end justified the means.

The lore leaves just enough room for the jury to stay out on whether that was really true.

Earlier stuff was more overt about it, but don't forget how much of the fluff is meant to be in universe propaganda and mythology, from unreliable or compromised narrators.

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Archamasse t1_iuj4v6p wrote

I think it would be possible if you picked a "street level" human to start with, yeah, to give you a sense of the overwhelming scale of the universe and battles they're living in the middle of, and if you had a HBO scale budget commitment.

The main thing though is to be really careful to depict the human Imperium as a bad thing.

The game lore has faltered on this lately as an accidental byproduct of making some beginner game packs accessible "good guys vs bad guys", and the side effect has been to suggest that the atrocities they've committed may have been necessary evils, rather than an illustration of its ongoing downfall.

That sounds like splitting hairs, but it’s a really important distinction that could be really easily lost in translation to tv - there are individually good and heroic humans, but the human imperium as it is, is a monstrous, mindless abyss of suspicion and indifference. If you don't get that right, it reads too much like a fascist apologetic - all the intentionally insane in-universe warcrys and mottos etc will just turn into Facebook motivational shit people take deadly seriously.

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