Bushgjl

Bushgjl OP t1_j5hpuew wrote

This is copaganda.

It's portraying racist and abusive cops as worthy of the audiences sympathy. It's like horshoe theory where they wanted to make a show about how corrupt these government organizations are but because they are the main characters it circles back to having the audience cheer for them.

It would have been ok if it was like True Detective where the detectives have flaws and there is corruption but they don't overplay it to where you are like "Fuck these people" whenever someone is on screen.

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Bushgjl OP t1_j5homie wrote

They frame it in the show as a joke.

Like in season 1 they detain one of the goons and assault him in the interrogation room. And then Omar says "He really knows how to bring it out of people", and then the scene ends like it is an actual fucking joke.

I don't get it, I just don't. I have to believe police lost a lot of respect in society after this show ended to even think about putting that in there.

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Bushgjl OP t1_j5ho6av wrote

I don't want black and white good guys, I want characters you have some capacity to care about.

I mean the closest thing you have to a main character cheats on his wife, endangers his children, fucks over his co-workers, illegally detains people, drives drunk, and is exceedingly unapologetic about all of it.

And his character isn't charismatic or interesting enough to justify any of it.

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Bushgjl OP t1_j5hmetv wrote

Maybe it's just the time this show was made in, But since 2002 there has been Sean Bell, Oscar Grant, Trayvon Martin, George Floyd, etc fucking endless.

So watching this show about cops abusing their power in such ways, there isn't anything amusing about it to me. And they make jokes about it in the show and I have to wonder if people at the time laughed at it.

The police since that time I feel like have lost a lot of respect in general society.

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Bushgjl OP t1_j5hlfxe wrote

Honestly I kind of hated him after he sent his kids to follow a drug dealer, and then had the nerve to argue with his wife in court over custody.

He's not that interesting and he does a lot of dumb reckless shit, and the show tries to portray him as a great detective. He's an idiot asshole.

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Bushgjl OP t1_j5hju0n wrote

Who likes stupid power tripping cops?

It works in a show like Deadwood where you have a lawless town and the sheriff brings his own brand of frontier justice, etc. But in modern day Baltimore I don't want to see our main characters beat the shit out of some black kid and then cheer for him later on.

Between the corrupt groups in the show who are you supposed to care for? What story are you supposed to be invested in?

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Bushgjl OP t1_j5hj203 wrote

My example would be Jimmy McNulty which is the character we are first introduced to and the lynchpin of the series. He is an asshole in every way imaginable and has virtually no charisma, and when he fucks up you are supposed to feel for him but why?

The actor may very well be good but the character is mostly uninteresting dogshit, which you can extrapolate to much of The Wire.

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Bushgjl OP t1_j5hi0kz wrote

The Sopranos did it easily, that's my point.

You have Tony, Tony's family, Christopher, Paulie, and then the rest are mostly supporting characters. It was kind of an ensemble cast but Chase knew that the focus was primarily on Tony and people close to him so they could weave a consistent narrative.

It's not scattered like The Wire where you are watching events unfold without caring much how things go down.

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Bushgjl OP t1_j5hgkm4 wrote

The Wire had the potential to be better if they dropped some of their ambitions, got a tighter cast, and tried to make these characters more interesting(for the most part) and have sympathetic qualities.

The show strikes me as obsessed with realism at the expense of the narrative.

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Bushgjl t1_j5bvna1 wrote

To me it doesn't hurt his character arc because the idea Aang would never make serious mistakes after the series ended was unlikely.

His character arc in TV show is accepting his responsibility as the Avatar and becoming fully realized. However he has no peacetime leadership experience and is still very young, so expecting him to struggle with the morally grey areas of peacetime is to be expected.

You can see in the Legend of Korea that Aang and all the gang change drastically in their lives to fit the roles they take on.

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Bushgjl t1_j5bu5hs wrote

I mean it makes sense to me, you have to unexperienced children in leadership positions with both being informed by extremist views. Zuko by Ozai and Aang by Roku, both encouraging the other to take a strongman position to enforcing order on the world.

So Aang considering killing Zuko under the advice of Roku and believing himself to have failed in bringing peace is not unbelievable.

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Bushgjl t1_j5bt4dk wrote

It makes sense though because Zuko would not relinquish the colonies to the Earth Kingdom, and was going to fight and kill more people for them right after losing a war. Mostly under his fathers advice.

From Aangs perspective he might have replaced one monster with potentially another, being a child and lacking perspective this makes sense.

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Bushgjl t1_j5bs62x wrote

Personally I liked it, you have children in positions of immense power after 100 years of war of course serious mistakes and misunderstandings are going to be made. Things won't be smooth sailing.

I felt like too much was left out of the series finale to try and bring closure to the show that I'm glad they added into this.

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