Life only exists because it goes against entropy. Yes aging is a form of entropy that our body doesn’t fight against because it’s a waste of energy to do in the wild when you’re just going to die of infection or predation anyways. Calling aging not a disease because it’s entropy is like saying autophagy of the brain isn’t a disease either because destruction of your memory and functionality is just entropy. All diseases are entropy when you have that frame of reference are they not? A heart not working, lungs, all just going against natural function, so call it entropy and not disease, labeling it as a disease is the only way we get the FDA to approve of treatments for it.

Not my precedent, society as a whole would figure that out.

Nice dude, gottem.

That doesn’t necessarily seem like a problem of extreme difficulty, especially with the advent of AGI

If it was never labeled as a disease nobody dare fix it, but then again neither is scar tissue, if we are going to call natural processes that eventually lead to our death not a “disease” then we shouldn’t be selective on which one’s. Leave scar tissue in the heart and lungs alone, it’s natural.

exactly

Sexual Reproduction was only necessary for evolution as a changing environment called for having variable offspring, but if the environment never changed we would duplicate instead. We are no longer under natural selection.

Yeah I rather remember my friends and family and know how to use a toilet and feel like a functional member of society at every age, even if we still only lived to ~80, but I have no issues with living 100,000 years if I get to contribute more as a result of my long life.

To be fair you still have no choice in getting hit by a car/plane/meteor or just die from a random stroke, it just means you’ll retain the same quality of life at every age until death.

I look at the journey not the destination, infinite was a figure of speech.

Defining intelligence to me is like defining consciousness to me and then trying to prove to me you’re conscious. As long as it produces results.

Infinity is a very large amount of possibility, experiencing infinity in 80 years is of course impossible. I wouldn’t know what to do unless I had it, but I know one thing, our lives are very short. Can you remember where you were 1 year ago? That was more than a percent of your entire existence, like that. I like how you say one life time, why not 10 years? Why not 5? What is so special about the average human life span as a number.

I could have a kid, is that not me creating intelligence? Consciousness is a completely subjective experience, we can make definitions of what it means to be conscious but a chat bot could pull off being conscious to you if it gave the right answers, IRL you could talk to me and It would be impossible to know if there is a self aware ‘conscious’ thinker within your head as I am not inside of it, all I’ll ever know is what is inside of my own head so it’s extremely subjective and so I don’t really think it matters all that much as long as whatever we create produces results.

Whatever intelligence is, the laws of physics allow for it, meaning it can be replicated.

The laws of physics allows us to exist, the smartest of us are the known minimum of intelligence that can exist, combining those two it can be hypothesized that we can create intelligence, given the nature of our biology we cannot simply add more brain, but we can add more computer to a computer. Even without adding more computer or more intelligence, an isaac newton in a computer would run 300,000x faster than his human self and have access to the entire internet. 300,000x figure coming from speed of light vs axon btw. If you don’t want to respond, farewell.

Well it’s a good thing this is a singularity sub, we as humans are limited in our intelligence, silicon isn’t, our premise appears to be that AGI will solve the problems much quicker than we can. Also asking questions is the point of learning something new, if not it isn’t a question.

I’m not a biological text book, like I said I am here to argue about the hypocrisy of my original post. Everything is a cause and effect relationship so the protein buildup likely comes from some cell expressing some protein somewhere it shouldn’t be, go look it up.

If aging is a slow bullet then the loss of proper tissue function and role, exponential free radical damage, build up of protein in the wrong places, cellular degradation, probably some more I’m missing.

Right, and nobody has died of being shot in the head by a bullet, it was merely the loss of blood and brain tissue that causes the death.

The youth is wasted on the young because there is currently no other choice, curing biological aging would allow the old and wise to have the youth they require to create and invent with the decades of knowledge they have in their new found youth.

DNA methylation produces senescent cells in which forget their role, the epigenome is tagged with new methyl groups that causes DNA transcription in the wrong places which leads to a lot of the damage we see in aging, I am not an expert in this field but I am only here to argue the hypocrisy we have towards other natural processes that kill us and not the one we don’t currently have a solution for and affects everyone.

What. I said we have a way to measure it.

It’s cognitive dissonance, understand their perspective from a neurological perspective. In the presence of a threat to our own lives we have 3 responses: Fight, Flight, or Freeze. If we cannot fight death we try to run away from it, if we cannot run away from it we freeze and accept it. Their limbic systems see death as a threat that they cannot fight or run away from so they activate the freeze response in which the cortex or logical part of their brains rationalize it in a way in which they can accept it. However if the cure for aging was in front of them I almost guarantee all of them would take it in an instant.

DNA methylation is on of the hall-markers of measuring biological aging. We are not talking about chronological aging. A 100,000 year old could theoretically have the DNA methylation of a 20 year old which would include many other health characteristics of a 20 year old versus the average biologically aged 80 year old.

Mental gymnastics much? Do you want me to name every biological process that increases our mortality and risk for other diseases due to the subset of issues as a result of the biological mechanisms behind the subset disease of ‘aging’ for you to understand what I am talking about without going into cognitive dissonance? Scarring isn’t just a single mechanism either, must mean scarring is just an attempt at healing the body with no underlying mechanism with that logic.