Fhujeth

Fhujeth t1_j1j3osj wrote

I'm just blaming the extremist, anti-muslim right wing people who see the Palestinians as crap. Not all Jews, not all Israelis, just the way the government has been going.

Pretty sure the help Ukraine got from Russia when "Russia did help" was at the trade off of being a buffer state and labour state with most exports going back to Moscow, along with being stripped of their language and culture. I don't see how the two correlate. Don't worry, there ARE many American Christians who do support Israel for their weird religious beliefs abd would opt to protect it.

Nothing wrong with protecting yourself, everything wrong when you start to treat others the way we were treated. That's where it looks bad.

But like I said, I also blame Trump and groups that keep trying to attack Israel. My feelings are complicated on the subject. I don't blame average people who are just living their lives.

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Fhujeth t1_j1hj7so wrote

I've felt unsafe for decades, it feels far worse now. We can agree to disagree. Otherwise, I've got nothing else to say

Russia never loved Ukraine?? Where does this come from. Maybe they did in desperation for a brief moment in the 19th century when Pan-Slavism was at a all time high and Ukraine had bad vibes with Poland. That's more of a survival than something else

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Fhujeth t1_j1d76qp wrote

The point I was making went over your head. Of course it has existed for thousands of years but in this new world of social/mass media the actions Israeli government has done has amplified what has already been around.

In the last few years it's gotten so insanely bad and we have Trump to blame, along with the far right in Israel's actions causing a very bad pushback from the rest of the world. Of course other countries are doing worse things but we are already hyper focussed on, so we need to be upstanding, not hypocritical. The rest of the world wouldn't be as (obviously they'd still be antisemites) quick to jump us if it wasn't for some of the choices Israel is making.

Again, that's my stance on it.

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Fhujeth t1_j18wlgo wrote

Thank you. And no, I wouldn't get directly mad at my friend but I would carefully try to explain why a behaviour is leading to him getting bullied and therefore affecting me as well. I wouldn't stop being their friend but I would say stuff like, "girls really don't like it when you info dump about Pokemon on them. Let's go find Pokemon fans we can talk to instead."

Like, I study history for fun, which has lead to me to already some strange feelings about WHY UK/US etc gave us foothold back in Israel. I doubt they cared about us truly wanting to go home. They have ulterior motives, always do. If they cared, the US at least wouldn't have been so Antisemitic just a few years prior to Israel coming to be.

I think Zionist has since had the definition ruined, since it already sounds so militant. I'm also not for a Theocracy, just the safety net that Israel offers to Jews from persecution. Yet while we seek safety there, it feels hypocritical.

Like we know Palestinians did this to themselves too. They're not innocent victims of Israeli government only. They are victims of their grandparents starting the wars to destroy Israel.

But that doesn't excuse Israel from being so alt right that it's doing what it's doing.

I'm glad we are on the same page then. I'm sick of all the misconstrued stuff, but mostly the hate. I e never felt safe to be Jewish, and now it's worse than ever... I'm scared and mad and powerless to do anything about it.

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Fhujeth t1_j18orxk wrote

In that case, all non Jews are antisemites that I have met. They've all instantly treated me different, probed me with questions (mostly on Israel), and excluded me from holiday stuff. But now the actions of Israel is making it way, way worse.

Yes, firstly it is antisemites fault, but the Israeli gov being so radical is salt in the wound.

I think we need a place like Israel, I'm not against that. But talking about it like it getting more and more conservative and theocratic isn't cool. These actions are affecting us outside of Israel and feeding antisemites that are too dumb to realize an American Jew is not always a Zionist.

These are my opinions. You do not need to listen or agree, but I'm going to be hard pressed to see otherwise.

I know that Israel is just defending it's self, but it feels very bad with how it chooses to defend it's self.

Of course Arabs should also reform stuff and aide the Palestinians and won't.

Sorry I'm not receptive entirely to what you're saying. I see your point but I don't feel like you see mine, so i have very little left to say.

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Fhujeth t1_j182hak wrote

Okay, I am aware of these factors but unfortunately, the actions of Israeli government are affecting us terribly. It just gives more fuel to antisemites, and even "woke" people who are supposed to be on the side of minorities.

It's literally screwing us. Israel should exist but it needs to stop making a clown of the Jewish people. Hell, a good chunk of Americans, even not antisemitic ones, think Jew and Israeli are interchangeable terms and the same thing.

We were hated bad before but this is the worst I've seen it in my lifetime and there is literally nothing we can do, and people will keep turning to Israel as a bad place.

I can't even comfortably tell people I am Jewish. People are taught antisemitic world view in University. Blame the Jewish Puppet Master stuff, watch out! They'll use the Holocaust card as justification for their actions!

And the people are not willing to realize we are just people too.

This is my own opinion, I'm not much a fan of NATO satellite states that will inevitably scapegoat my people, either.

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