Sony usually have killer deals on their store. It's mostly been new PS5 games that are holding their prices, but there's usually two sales running at any one time, with prices that are as good as Steam.

I bought Resident Evil 2 + 3 Remakes (PS4 and PS5 versions) for less than €20... I spent more on peanut butter this morning FFS.

>limited space on console

Doesn't matter, games are installed and ran entirely from the internal drive, and have done since the PS4/Xbox One.

That said, I like the flexibility. I'm not bound to the consoles store, I'm also more inclined to try out new games if I can resell it in the event it's a stinker. And with console games getting more expensive, buying at launch on a physical format makes sense. I'm not gonna play say God of War Ragnorok more than once in quick succession, so I'll sell it when done (and buy The Callisto Protocol).

It's also about ownership, and preferring the tactility of having something in your hand.

Wow, someone didn't get their Cheerios this morning.

Edit - blocked because of course you're a fragile Redditor.

But it's not "nothing but exclusives", it's still got all the other games. You might also want to review your use of the word "majority" here, because the majority of PS exclusives are still exclusives to PlayStation.

And if you're salty about that, let's look at Xbox using the same criteria - it effectively doesn't have exclusives.

I've a Series X and a PS5. While the pimped out older games on Series X is nice, it's a pretty fucking lame selling point for a new console in 2022.

If I want to play PS3 and PS2 games, I have a PS3 and PS2 (turns out, I've already played most of them to death, so I don't actually want to play them).

How old are the old games you want to play? The PS5 can play more than 99% of the PS4's library. That's basically every game released on PlayStation in the last 9 years.

The Xbox can play about a third of the 360's library and a handful of OG Xbox games - which is a bit of a shitty selling point for a 500 buck console in 2022.

Nope. Garbage performance compared to the Series X/PS5, 350GB of usable SSD space (the 1TB expansion is typically €250 as well), no disc drive.

For me it's very much the definition of false economy.

Yeah I mean if it's really struggling now, what's it gonna be like in a few years? Plus that 350GB of useable SSD space? Yikes.

Absolutely none. Stray is a walking simulator with a cat, nothing more.

You're still getting the full fat PS5 experience (I have no idea how resolution seems to be the only aspect of image quality people pay heed to these days) vs. the potato-spec Series S.

LOL, keep trolling 👍👍

Sounds like you can't provide proof of these claims, and you know it.

But for the LOLs, I did Google it, and the PS5 comes out on top.

Any more self-owns today? 👍👍

I do. Now, provide sources for your facts, I'll wait 👍👍

For one, it's not "considerably" more powerful. You're also ignoring the fact that the PS5 is more performant in some ways - but I get the impression you're the type of person that sees one bigger number and automatically assumes it's better because you don't actually understand shit.

And also ignoring the fact that the games usually perform better on PS5 - again, show me real world evidence that the Series X is "conSidErabLY moRe poWEfuL". Again - you can't, because it isn't.

You've yet to show any concrete proof of these "facts". Let's look at the performance metrics on Digital Foundry and NX Gamer for some "facts" 👍

Ah, so you're one of those people that think having a higher teraflop number makes it more powerful? You also made it out like there's a massive difference in spec?

If it's "just the facts" then you're more than welcome to provide proof of those facts like I asked... what's that, you can't?

>Considerably weak

LOL, care to back that up with proof? Pretty much every video Digital Foundry and NX Gamer have done have shown them to be more or less equal, with the PS5 slightly more performant.

Because the PS4 had a notoriously weak CPU the day it came out. The PS5 doesn't, and it is a much more balanced console. The mid-gen refresh was also partially because of 4K TVs going mainstream and the base consoles being far too underpowered to take advantage. There's no such shift in screen tech this time around.

"Dummy" indeed.

Pretty much. Just for a comparison there (granted it's not perfectly like for like) I booted up PS4 AC Odyssey, and PS5 AC Valhalla.

From hitting "continue" on the title screen to being able to control your character, Odyssey took over a minute, Valhalla was 13 seconds.

Saints Row 3 Remaster took 8 seconds from pressing continue to being in the open world.

I haven't really done any side by side comparisons with the two consoles, but have watched a bunch of Digital Foundry videos. They're effectively the same - Series X will sometimes have slightly higher resolution but slightly lower framerate. In most cases you'd have to go through the games with a tooth comb to really see any differences

When you compare like for like PS5/Series X games, the PS5 is usually a little bit faster. A lot of the PS5 exclusives have pretty much instant loading.

Yep, that's correct. If you have space to spare, you can also run PS4 games from the internal or SSD (there's a small improvement to loading with some titles in this scenario).

If you have the PS4 version you're free to download and play that from your external drive if you want. Perfect example is Elden Ring - the most performant way to play it was to run the PS4 version on PS5, and that's what I did. I still owned the PS5 version as well, and only download that for a look at a later date. If you tried to do this on a Series console, it would force you to play the Series-enhanced version.

What version you get is publisher dependent. Some will stick the PS4+PS5 versions together as one purchase, some will have seperate versions (I've noticed this does happen on Xbox as well), some are selective about what you have to buy (for Elden Ring I had to buy the PS4 version, which included the PS5, but didn't the other way around).

Yep, just like internal storage. In theory it might even be a bit faster than the PS5's SSD.

If you have an external hard drive, you can run PS4 games from it, and use it as cold storage for PS5 games too.

Depends on how it runs on PS4 to begin with. For games with framerate issues like say Dark Souls 3 and Sekiro, it'll run them pretty much locked at 60FPS by virtue of having a much better CPU, but there's no patching or change to the game itself, the PS5 is basically "brute forcing" the game to run better (these games behave the same way on Series X)

If the game has a PS4 Pro version, it'll run that version (usually at its max target resolution and framerate).

There's basically no difference between running discs and digital as the latest version is contained in updates and all games are installed to the SSD anyways.

The SSD expansion for PS5 is pretty easy to understand. There's a bunch of them that sell consistently for that purpose, and there's also an "official" one (the WD Black), that basically has a bit of PS branding on it (the same one minus the branding works just as well).

Because Sony left it open to generic drives, it's usually much cheaper compared to the Series consoles expansion card. I bought the 1TB Samsung 980 Pro (with built in heatsink) earlier this year for €160. The 1TB Series expansion card was sitting one shelf down from it for €250.

The upgraded for PS5 situation is also easy to understand - PS5 games have a PS5 tag, PS4 games have a PS4 tag. There's a few games that have what I call PS4.5 patches - performance upgrades for running on PS5, but it's still the native PS4 version. A quick Google will list these titles (although they are mostly the Sony first party games that don't have native PS5 versions, stuff like The Last of Us Part 2, God of War, Days Gone, Infamous Second Son, etc.). This also means you can leave those games installed to an external hard drive, as the Series "Smart" Delivery forces the game to be installed to the SSD, which becomes kinda annoying as your drive starts to fill up.