when has govt infrastructure projects especially major ones ever get cheaper? either patch it up or build a new expressway along coast or elsewhere

not impossible, question is it worth the money and time given the difficulties - right now its not

Building a expensive tunnel next to coast that's likely to flood in future due to rising sea levels ...great idea and never will be done on time/budget

> That’s exactly how it happens, though, especially in a student body as big as it is.

Nope. Look at the other large school systems in USA. LA also a HCOL area has 2/3 # of students we have but their school budget is 1/2 ours. If all things being equal and accounting for size, you expect LA school budget be 2/3 of our budget but it isn't. In fact its cheaper. Chicago 1/3 our student # but 1/4 of our school budget.

That's raw numbers. If we look at % of the education line item cost in their budgets, our 40% figures exceeds them if we really want to extrapolate for size.

If we compare charter to unscreened public schools, charters will have them beat and possibly beat the screened publics in near future due to how weak the incoming classes now are due to admission changes.

Charter vs unscreen local are better comparison bc that's what's really available right now in disadvantage communities.

We already seeing more students flock to charters especially the asian demographics due to screened school admission changes.

Charters and traditional public share the same overall education budget. As more students flock to charter...the NYC DOE share of the budget for public decrease. Less money = less jobs to support.

Also if we are to believe the charters cost per student at 18kish (bit too low imo) vs 28k+ for the reg public, they are more cost efficient

65 doesn't mean 65% of questions correct or raw scores

How bad the problem is now

https://medium.com/@newyorkteacher/guessing-c-for-every-answer-is-now-enough-to-pass-the-new-york-state-algebra-exam-93bac55b3e24

Heres the 2015 grading chart and each yr the raw score been getting lower to get passing grade

https://www.nysedregents.org/algebraone/615/algone62015-cc.pdf

When we actually taught students, had standards and tracked as many promising students as possible of all background. The passing grade for math regents these days is < 1/3 questions correct. What kind of fuked up math is that.

folks who don't even understand why charters exist...current nyc doe is doing a shiet job

I suggest you look at the facts. Start with definition of charter school. They public. Start at looking where their funding comes from. Same pool as traditional public. Look at enrollment numbers over past decade. Which is increasing and which ain't. Even Asians are noticing charters and flocking to them over screened schools due to NYC DOE fuckery

Now go into my history. I have always advocate for reform for public schools to return to its once glory. As of right now, NYC DOE on its continued warpath to ruin the entire system and more and more students will flock to charter at this rate. This not my prediction, just look at the enrollment data and public polling regarding charters.

In addition, I am a volunteer tutor. I tutored plenty of kids over the years and def noticed the quality of students education, their abilities dropping and what counts as passing ever lowered.

Even right now, you and others can't seem to understand what the NYC DOE is doing to public schools is creating the need and increased demands for charters. Its basically writing ads for them

They are even by NYS definitions and they definitely share from same pool of resources. no one disputes that. I'm a product of nyc public school all my life and here schooling folks like you how far the system has fallen which led to rise of charters

charters are public schools as well. they both share the same pool of students and funds. if regular public school student enrollment numbers are decreasing while demand for charter are increasing and its enrollment # increasing...only makes sense to give them more of the public school money. fact is, public school are hemorrhaging students due to continued failed policies which creates the need for charters

If you have a large budget with most of the money not making to classrooms as evident by teachers buying supplies with their own money...its clearly a sign of mismanagement and bloat up top. The money is simply not properly allocated. Tossing more money into the pit is not going to make it any better. NYC DOE needs a reform and get their act together to provide and perform what parents want. If it takes diverting the best and promising students and funds into charters since more students are switching to them then yes the charter budget should increase for NYC DOE to realize they need to get their act together then so be it.

Largest does not justify the % allocated. Its natural for larger budget to spend more dollar wise but still within the typical % allocation of budget. Even among US cities, % wise is out of proportion.

our education budget is like 40% of our city budget... go to any alpha city...its absurdly high for the results we get from it. plenty of higher cost of living and larger metro areas around world spend way less vs we do % wise.

Our public schools are grossly overfunded by any budget standards and failing to deliver what parents want. Its funds are simply grossly mismanaged. Parents of all color want their kids tracked. Its not a question. Parents of all colors want that non performing student spot in a screened school for their own kid for a chance to shine and rise above their non screened local public option.

View it from parents perspective especially the poor underserving communities. Continue sending their kids to the failing non screened public they too came from or take their chances with the charter in their neighborhood. ofc many will want the later.

charters are still public schools difference they practice tracking more openly vs the unscreened public which parents want that the NYC DOE wage war on

What you think NYC DOE been failing all these yrs...their failures is what driving the need for charters and parents desire to put them there vs their local failing unscreened school. We wont be having this discussion if they were doing such a great job

Why do we have specialized schools for high achieving, special needs schools, etc...its bc they have a special need and environment needed to tailor to their needs. See how these students are segregated by ability? the basis of tracking

Disruptive students need to be segregated as well. they need to be socialized before we can attempt to teach them anything meaningful

they can go to a school that can better tailor to their needs and socialize them just like high achieving students, special ed etc students are served by going to specialized schools.

Would argue most kids served by charters belong to poor families in this city. Map the schools, most are in disadvantage communities and for them its either the continuously failing local unscreened public or take their chance with local charter.

some charters view their entire school a program hence subject to norms we already seen in public

Public schools can always remove students that aren't performing on par in G&T programs, honors, enrichment, etc tracking programs and return them to gen pop. Charters are simply a version of that - where they operate as a screened school that can remove non performers from its tracking initiatives.

where you think most charters are operating this city? its literally the failing local public or the local charter in a poor hood

and I'm telling you why parents opt for them...and reason why charters exists the first place