Miserable_Sun6756
Miserable_Sun6756 t1_jdp3bw1 wrote
Reply to comment by FootnoteOfPlato in /r/philosophy Open Discussion Thread | March 13, 2023 by BernardJOrtcutt
Again, evolution is not a hypothesis. Also the burden of proof is on the one making the positive claim about a god. Also you need to do some research on what the theory of evolution actually is I think you are quite confused about what it is.
Miserable_Sun6756 t1_jdlad0h wrote
Reply to comment by Gamusino2021 in /r/philosophy Open Discussion Thread | March 13, 2023 by BernardJOrtcutt
Yea that's kind of what I'm trying to get at, except I would ask why the perceived objectiveness of a goal has any bearing on the chemical-emotional reward we get for pursuing said goal. I think this is done at a cognitive level and we don't actually suffer from the realization that the universe has no meaning until we assign the negative connotation to that fact manually.
Miserable_Sun6756 t1_jdl68pe wrote
Reply to comment by Gamusino2021 in /r/philosophy Open Discussion Thread | March 13, 2023 by BernardJOrtcutt
I don't understand how you came to that. The last sentence seems like a non-sequitur.
Miserable_Sun6756 t1_jdkvu2h wrote
Reply to comment by FootnoteOfPlato in /r/philosophy Open Discussion Thread | March 13, 2023 by BernardJOrtcutt
Evolution is not a hypothesis lol, also it CAN be tested in a lab, not only that, it is the basis for pretty much all modern day biology. Saying it doesn't exist to a biologist is like saying a hammer doesn't exist to a builder, they use it every day.
Also I do not need to prove God doesn't exist, the burden of proof lies with the one making the positive claim.
I think one thing that makes people confused is the term theory of evolution. The word "theory" when used in a scientific context has a completely different technical meaning from the coloqual use of the word. A theory is a carefully thought-out explanation for observations of the natural world that has been constructed using the scientific method, and which brings together many facts and hypotheses.
The difference between a hypothesis and a theory is that a hypothesis is an assumption made before any research has been done. It is formed so that it can be tested to see if it might be true. A theory is a principle formed to explain the things already shown in data.
Here is a video of the principle of evolution in action right before your very eyes: https://youtu.be/plVk4NVIUh8
Miserable_Sun6756 t1_jdkkb86 wrote
Reply to comment by FootnoteOfPlato in /r/philosophy Open Discussion Thread | March 13, 2023 by BernardJOrtcutt
That's because you have a preexisting belief structure that makes you think that.
A much more sound reason for this was that morality was selected by evolution in our human ancestors in order to promote cooperation and smooth social interactions. Aka- if u go around killing people or being dishonest or perpetrating other "immoral" behavior's it would impact your chances of reproducing. Evolution often has the appearance of intelligent design untill you learn the mechanisms behind it and you realise that the aperant design is an illusion. Too many people think they know how evolution works but they dont, so they are confused as to why it wasnt "designed" by a God.
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Here is a good explanation of this:
Miserable_Sun6756 t1_jdgg5l8 wrote
Reply to comment by brbasik in /r/philosophy Open Discussion Thread | March 13, 2023 by BernardJOrtcutt
It would be better to analyze what value is itself, rather than compare things that we assign value to.
Miserable_Sun6756 t1_jdg5f3l wrote
There is no meaning to life. The universe is cold and neutral. Yet the negative emotion that we assign to that realization is not neutral. It is negative. Why?. That's not logical. Shouldn't the emotion be neutral too? In other words, nothing has meaning including the fact that nothing has meaning yet we automatically assign a negative value to the fact that nothing has value, thus self-contracting without even realizing it. So I wonder if the solution to that kind of existential suffering is not to find meaning, but to identify and remove the arbitrary emotional response one has to the fact that nothing has meaning. Maybe the reason we do this is that when we are doing something we perceive to be meaningful (even if ultimately that meaning is an illusion) we receive positive emotion. We then, for some reason, automatically attribute that positive emotion to the idea that the task had meaning, so over time we develop a mental association between meaning and positive emotion. I wonder if meaning is just a placeholder concept the brain uses because it cant self conceptualize its own reward system (the mesocorticolimbic circuit) in its unconscious levels of processing. Thoughts?
Miserable_Sun6756 t1_jdu69cn wrote
Reply to comment by Misrta in /r/philosophy Open Discussion Thread | March 13, 2023 by BernardJOrtcutt
Thats where the statistical probability of an event happening comes into play. just cos there is a 1 in 1000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000 chance that the sun won't rise tomorrow doesn't mean that I am wrong to belive it will rise tomorrow with virtual certainty.