Mustelafan
Mustelafan t1_jawon70 wrote
Reply to comment by trainface_ in Glorifying the "self" is detrimental to both the individual and the larger world. It neither helps you find your true nature, nor your role in the larger world. by waytogoal
I can't help but feel this is projection. Perhaps it's rare but some people are able to be (more or less) fully honest with themselves and live authentically.
Mustelafan t1_jatd1c8 wrote
Reply to comment by waytogoal in Glorifying the "self" is detrimental to both the individual and the larger world. It neither helps you find your true nature, nor your role in the larger world. by waytogoal
I agree with everything you just said, but I'm not sure I get the implication. Are you saying the "holistic self" as we're calling it, or the Western analog of it it is risky? Because I wouldn't necessarily disagree (I'd really have to think about it), but surely there's a best of both worlds here. Something like Jungian psychology or perhaps something based on Nietzschean philosophy that could potentially identify who would benefit from intentional "self-finding" and who would be better off not worrying much about the self at all. Just because something is high risk doesn't mean it's bad - it just takes a specific type of person.
Mustelafan t1_jasrrt0 wrote
Reply to comment by waytogoal in Glorifying the "self" is detrimental to both the individual and the larger world. It neither helps you find your true nature, nor your role in the larger world. by waytogoal
Oh no need to apologize for sounding condescending, I do that all the time lol
>But I would argue that if the nature of self is always changing quickly no matter what, then why would we need to emphasize on it, develop it in a particular way, or stroke it.
Well, I'd ask in return, if a river is always rushing why attempt to control its flow with dams and stabilize its banks to prevent erosion? Often letting the river just do whatever it does is the best thing to do, but sometimes it's also best to rein it in.
I'm going to continue with this terrible analogy because I like it. The "Easterners" might say, "why the hell did you build your house in a flood plain?" And the "Westerners" might say, "why the hell would I want to walk two miles to get water?" They're both perfectly valid questions and the answer depends on an individual's needs and, as you said, cultural factors. If Easterners can be satisfied without worrying about a Western conception of self, great. If a Westerner can be satisfied with their own concept of self, also great. I personally find a holistic concept of self to be useful for clarifying my path in life, speaking as someone who used to struggle with depression and derealization - I'm not even sure how I would function without such a concept.
>"The main obstacle to finding your true nature, true "self" if you'd like to call it, is obsessing over it."
This I would absolutely agree with. But I do think finding the self takes contemplation - I'm not sure if one can find it without thinking about it at all.
Mustelafan t1_jascumk wrote
Reply to comment by waytogoal in Glorifying the "self" is detrimental to both the individual and the larger world. It neither helps you find your true nature, nor your role in the larger world. by waytogoal
>The modern world romanticizes finding yourself, your style, your type, etc.
>Ironically, dwelling on this image of “self” neither helps you find your true nature, nor to find your role in the larger world.
I'm a bit confused, couldn't "your true nature" just be taken to mean "your true self"? The vibe I'm getting from this article is "there is no true self, that's an illusion, but if you acknowledge the self is plastic and changes over time it's actually totally real, also be nice to people."
It seems like you're just saying "the true self isn't static like many think, but evolves over time" which I would agree with, but you've muddied the point by using obfuscatory language to shoehorn in an attempt at dunking on ignorant, vain, shallow westerners (low hanging fruit) and glorifying Buddhism - and, ironically, it comes across like your own ego stroking. Not saying this is what you intended or that I 100% understood what your article is about, but this is what this comes across as to me.
In my view, given that at the end of the day everyone just wants to be satisfied with their own life, "finding your true self" just means finding the version of the self that is most satisfying now and putting yourself on the path to be satisfied even as the self evolves. (Of course the lay public fails miserably at that task, because they fail miserably at everything that requires careful contemplation - but that's not an indictment of whatever philosophy they're attempting to carry out IMO). And in this context finding the "true self" would then be extremely important. Of course we should attempt to experience the holistic world as it truly is - but are we not a part of said world? Can we truly understand the world if we don't understand ourselves, and vice versa?
>attachment to something impermanent and untrue must cause suffering
I totally agree with the Buddhists here. But the self doesn't need to be defined only in terms of who we are at the present, transient moment, which can result in suffering (not that I believe all suffering should be avoided, but that's beside the point). The self can also be defined in terms of our past (including the old "false" self that we were) and who we want to be and at one point wanted to be in the future, and whoever we end up being. Instead of arguing against the concept of self, perhaps we should be advocating a more holistic view of the self instead?
Mustelafan t1_jaf0mu6 wrote
Reply to comment by bildramer in From discs in the sky to faces in toast, learn to weigh evidence sceptically without becoming a closed-minded naysayer by ADefiniteDescription
>information cascades
I think this term and concept will be very useful to me. Thanks for sharing!
Mustelafan t1_ja9m120 wrote
Reply to comment by NotObviouslyARobot in Neuroscientist Gregory Berns argues that Thomas Nagel was wrong: neuroscience can give us knowledge about what it is like to be an animal. For example, his own fMRI studies on dogs have shown that they can feel genuine affection for their owners. by Ma3Ke4Li3
Your example still falls prey to the problem of inverted spectra. Hypothetically, two people could have phenomenal experiences of sight and color that are exactly opposite of each other, and if these experiences were otherwise isomorphic (the relationships between each color still proportionally the same) they could produce the exact same work of art but both percieve it differently.
Regarding bats, though blind humans are apparently capable of some form of echolocation, there's no way to know if their phenomenal experience of echolocation is the same as how bats experience echolocation. If their brains and brain activity are sufficiently similar we might reasonably infer that that's the case, but it's probably impossible to ever say for sure. Same with dogs; we can reasonably infer that dogs experience affection, but who can say whether the subjective feeling of affection is the same for dogs as it is for humans? This is where Mr. Berns has failed to properly address Nagel's question.
I might say affection is a sort of sweet feeling. You might say it's more red, to someone else it's gold or a feeling of levity. A dog might consider affection savory or warm. We all have experienced affection, but we may all experience it differently.
Mustelafan t1_ja5esd1 wrote
Reply to comment by DigitalDiogenesAus in Neuroscientist Gregory Berns argues that Thomas Nagel was wrong: neuroscience can give us knowledge about what it is like to be an animal. For example, his own fMRI studies on dogs have shown that they can feel genuine affection for their owners. by Ma3Ke4Li3
That analogy is way better than mine lol
Mustelafan t1_ja4z6mw wrote
Reply to comment by Ma3Ke4Li3 in Neuroscientist Gregory Berns argues that Thomas Nagel was wrong: neuroscience can give us knowledge about what it is like to be an animal. For example, his own fMRI studies on dogs have shown that they can feel genuine affection for their owners. by Ma3Ke4Li3
Example #136,742 of a scientist misusing their authority as an expert of a scientific field to assert they've disproven an influential philosophical concept that they don't understand. This is the equivalent of an idealist philosopher saying they've disproven evolution by natural selection because animals only exist as impressions in the mind and thus can't be said to physically reproduce or die, or something.
Mustelafan t1_j8v3v8h wrote
Reply to comment by BerkelMarkus in You're probably a eugenicist by 4r530n
Sure but it's a bit different when it's the government doing the selecting.
Mustelafan t1_j8tolnm wrote
Reply to comment by BerkelMarkus in You're probably a eugenicist by 4r530n
Nope I'm too uncooperative
Mustelafan t1_j8ean2d wrote
Reply to comment by Lears-Shadow in You're probably a eugenicist by 4r530n
Selecting for cooperativeness sounds like a slippery slope to Orwellianism tbh
Mustelafan t1_j5pyvg7 wrote
Reply to comment by Ill_Department_2055 in On Whether “Personhood” is a Normative or Descriptive Concept by ADefiniteDescription
Most people would point to the great 'achievements' of the human race in fields such as philosophy, architecture, astrophysics, aeronautics etc.
...But then you have to wonder what justifies the supposed superiority of the 98% of humans that have made no such great achievements.
Mustelafan t1_j4t2h14 wrote
Reply to comment by Impossible_Hunter_39 in On Being a Little God – The “Little Gods” Argument Against Free Will by arikdondi
>They word”my” comes from the Sanskrit word “Maya”
Source? I'm seeing that the word "my" comes from proto-Germanic mīnaz (meaning "my") which itself comes from proto-Indo-European méynos (also meaning "my"). PIE predates the Sanskrit language so it doesn't seem there's a shared etymology at all.
Which is pretty much what I expected. The idea that a "myself" could exist is a more intuitive and basic assumption than that "myself" is illusionary; it would make no sense for this equally basic word to stem from such a philosophical perspective. Not that English borrows much directly from Sanskrit anyway. It sounds like someone is trying to push the idea that our 'wiser' ancestors 'knew' the self was illusory through this bad folk etymology. On the contrary I'm pretty sure most of our ancestors would've had a very strong sense of self lol
Mustelafan t1_j4m5w54 wrote
Reply to comment by drjoker83 in Can anyone tell me what animal made this sound? Central Massachusetts by Commercial-Life-9998
Hell if you don't want em get one in a live trap and I'll take it off your hands! I love fishers. Totally beautiful animals and yes, pretty feisty. Takes a lot to survive in those woods as a weasel with pretty much no body fat! A couple days without food and you're a goner, I'd be pissed off too lol
Mustelafan t1_j4izs4j wrote
Reply to comment by [deleted] in Can anyone tell me what animal made this sound? Central Massachusetts by Commercial-Life-9998
Don't worry about those sounds, they're harmless. Just, uh, keep your doors locked. For peace of mind, y'know
Mustelafan t1_j4ix43v wrote
Reply to comment by [deleted] in Can anyone tell me what animal made this sound? Central Massachusetts by Commercial-Life-9998
Maybe if they've been smoking a pack a day for 30 years lol, but it's definitely not the "banshee" scream most people say it is
Mustelafan t1_j4hf32b wrote
Reply to comment by Any_Strawberry5747 in Can anyone tell me what animal made this sound? Central Massachusetts by Commercial-Life-9998
You are welcome!
Mustelafan t1_j4hcqz2 wrote
Reply to comment by Any_Strawberry5747 in Can anyone tell me what animal made this sound? Central Massachusetts by Commercial-Life-9998
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tZ-0i98zv1M
This video covers pretty much every fisher sound you could be hearing (be warned the wind gets really loud at points so careful if you're using headphones lol). Basically deep roaring growls, a demonic version of ferret dooking, and some otter squawking, in addition to that first video I just sent.
Mustelafan t1_j4hc7oi wrote
Reply to comment by Banea-Vaedr in Can anyone tell me what animal made this sound? Central Massachusetts by Commercial-Life-9998
How else do you think Boston avoids getting swallowed up by the ocean? Unholy rituals. Fishers are the scapegoat.
Mustelafan t1_j4hahc8 wrote
Reply to comment by Any_Strawberry5747 in Can anyone tell me what animal made this sound? Central Massachusetts by Commercial-Life-9998
Not a fisher. Fishers don't scream as New Englanders commonly believe. This is as close as they get.
Mustelafan t1_j4hah2d wrote
Reply to comment by Linux-Is-Best in Can anyone tell me what animal made this sound? Central Massachusetts by Commercial-Life-9998
Not a fisher. Fishers don't scream as New Englanders commonly believe. This is as close as they get.
Mustelafan t1_j4hagb5 wrote
Reply to comment by Banea-Vaedr in Can anyone tell me what animal made this sound? Central Massachusetts by Commercial-Life-9998
Not a fisher. Fishers don't scream as New Englanders commonly believe. This is as close as they get.
Mustelafan t1_j428haa wrote
Reply to comment by monsantobreath in Philosophy has never been the detached pursuit of truth. It’s always been deeply invested in its own cultural perspective. by IAI_Admin
Maybe he's right and you're actually the one that's biased? No, no, that couldn't be it 🤔
Mustelafan t1_j390p0f wrote
Reply to comment by aesu in The Persistent Problem of Consciousness: an astronaut's epiphany by simsquatched
I'm not sure we're operating with the same definitions and/or understanding of physics here. By 'phenomenal conscious experience' I mean qualia. Qualia is a (by?)product of brains but not necessarily a property of physical matter, hence why I'm a dualist. I'm not sure how a molecule would change phenomenologically because I don't attribute such conscious phenomena to them in the first place. All of the afterlife stuff has nothing to do with observable (physical) reality, but is an addition to it; it's the statement that observable reality is not the total sum of reality.
>Or you can construct a logically, or even empirically consistent theory of reality which is consistent with both your assertion and these observables.
That's what I've done. This is what I've been trying to say; you can fully accept a scientific understanding of the physical world and also incorporate a belief in non-physical phenomena (through the direct observation of one's own arguably non-physical consciousness/qualia), and through some reasoning and epistemological coherentism deduce the existence of an afterlife.
Mustelafan t1_je18i8s wrote
Reply to comment by ProudKingbooker in Paradoxically, what makes you unique is your relation to other people. The more robustly we try to identify who we are, the more we become embedded in all others. by IAI_Admin
Am I the only one on this subreddit with an actual self-directed sense of identity? I can take inspiration here and there, sure, but ultimately the only one that paints on my canvas is me.