>I get the sense you haven't been told this enough in life, but you and your entire family don't matter. It's irrelevant anecdotal evidence that means absolutely nothing in the grand scheme of things.

The vaccine meant nothing in my household. We all caught covid from a fully vaccinated and boosted family member.

>In a single household, it means even less once one person is infected. Everyone is being exposed far more at home unless you've all got the ability to isolate 24/7, have good ventilation, 100% mask wearing 100% of the time.

I thought it was supposed to stop the spread? That wasn't my experience. We all had covid while fully vaccinated.

Also

It doesn't matter how low your patience is, because the vaccine doesn't stop the spread. It should not be mandated. The person I initially replied to said people should be pinned down and "made" to take the vaccine. Joe Biden had it right before the election when he initially campaigned on NO vaccine mandate.

#Omicron: 3 vaccine doses are not enough to stop the new COVID variant, warns BioNTech CEO

https://www.euronews.com/next/2021/12/20/omicron-3-vaccine-doses-are-not-enough-to-stop-the-new-covid-variant-warns-biontech-ceo

#Covid is no longer mainly a pandemic of the unvaccinated. Here’s why.

For the first time, a majority of Americans dying from the coronavirus received at least the primary series of the vaccine.

Fifty-eight percent of coronavirus deaths in August were people who were vaccinated or boosted, according to an analysis conducted for The Health 202 by Cynthia Cox, vice president at the Kaiser Family Foundation.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2022/11/23/vaccinated-people-now-make-up-majority-covid-deaths/

It's so "smart" that as of August 2022 you are statistically more likely to die of covid if you are vaccinated than if you are unvaccinated 💀

At the very least, this illustrates how stupid it'd be to mandate the vaccine, and why it should be a personal choice.

Biden had it right initially when he ran on NO vaccine mandate for covid. 😇

At this point your "argument" is

"If you aren't vaccinated and get covid and die, it's cause you didn't get vaccinated"

"If you ARE vaccinated and get covid and die, you are still dead, but at least you were a good person for getting vaccinated"

💀💀💀

It's 58%, not 58 people. Jesus.

> The pools are different sizes. It would be much worse if they weren't vaccinated.

It doesn't get much worse than dying!

58% of covid deaths in August 2022 were vaccinated. Woof

>That's because so many people were vaccinated!

Shouldn't that make it more effective, not less?

#Covid is no longer mainly a pandemic of the unvaccinated. Here’s why.

For the first time, a majority of Americans dying from the coronavirus received at least the primary series of the vaccine.

Fifty-eight percent of coronavirus deaths in August [2022] were people who were vaccinated or boosted, according to an analysis conducted for The Health 202 by Cynthia Cox, vice president at the Kaiser Family Foundation.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2022/11/23/vaccinated-people-now-make-up-majority-covid-deaths/

Weird, the person who gave covid to the rest of my household was fully vaccinated and boosted. It's almost like the vaccine didn't work as advertised

Also, China tried your proposed method of forcibly confining people, it didn't work. Their cases keep spiking. Even with their lack of human rights which allows their government to do pretty much whatever they want as far as covid mitigation methods

>Because there are households where people got vaccinated and that prevented one or more of them from getting sick.

Everyone in my household was at least two-shot vaccinated. My brother also had the booster.

He gave covid-19 to everyone else in the household, while fully vaccinated and boosted. Everyone in the household was boosted besides myself. Yet those family members with the booster got the same COVID-19 that I did.

Vaccines and/or boosters didn't prevent a single person in my household from testing positive.

> Assuming anything less than 100% effective is 0% effective shows a profound misunderstanding of how this shit works. It's logically the same as claiming that brushing your teeth is useless because people who brush their teeth still can get cavities.

The president (falsely) promote the vaccines as being 100% effective. He then caught covid-19 while "fully vaccinated and boosted" one year later.

#President Biden tests positive for COVID, a year after he said vaccines prevent infections

https://www.poynter.org/reporting-editing/2022/president-joe-biden-coronavirus-vaccinated/

He needed Paxlovid, an AIDS drug, in order to survive. His vaccine and booster didn't get the job done.

So no, it should not be mandated. Especially when the people leading our government like Joe Biden don't even understand how the vaccine works, and spew misinformation about it while promoting its supposed efficacy.

It's funny cause Biden and Fauci took the vaccine and boosters and still caught COVID-19. Both of them needed an AIDS drug called Paxlovid to survive. Their vaccine couldn't save them. So much for your character test.

Also, China tried your approach of confining people against their will, it didn't work. More than 50% of each plane from China is covid positive. Damn

Did Joe bidens vaccine and booster prevent him from catching COVID-19?

Also, you said people should be "made" to take the vaccine, that policy would have to come from a political leader such as jor Biden, who you admit isn't a medical researcher and was saying things that weren't true about the vaccine. So whose call should it be? Anthony faucis? The guy who also caught covid despite being fully vaccinated and boosted?

Forcing people to get the vaccine violates their personal freedom and right to bodily autonomy

Especially a vaccine that doesn't prevent the spread of the disease

>Vaccines aren't about "stopping" the spread; they dramatically reduce the spread, which they were very successful at. They also dramatically decreased hospitalizations and deaths.

Joe Biden said they stopped the spread

#President Biden tests positive for COVID, a year after he said vaccines prevent infections

https://www.poynter.org/reporting-editing/2022/president-joe-biden-coronavirus-vaccinated/

>And no, I don't want people to evaluate potential side effects, because too many people lack the basic scientific literacy to actually do so.

Says the guy who calls himself a doctor but isn't actually a doctor. Also this is hilariously elitist and violates the concept of individual bodily autonomy

> The vaccines were proven to be both safe and effective and you still have idiots out there calling them "poison", so no, I don't think I want those people making decisions that affect the health of society.

I guess Biden and Harris are idiots to you because they ran for president promising no covid vaccine mandate.

I don't know what your point is. You want to "make" people take a vaccine that doesn't stop the spread. Why?

I don't think even China was forcing people to get vaccinated, and they are basically a dictatorship.

You basically want a dictatorship where bodily autonomy no longer exists. Where people aren't allowed to evaluate potential side effects of a vaccine, and are instead pinned down and injected against their will.

I hope you aren't a real doctor.

Also, Joe Biden ran for president saying he was against mandating the vaccine. Forcibly Mandating the vaccine is a fringe opinion tbh. We still have an least some level of personal freedom in this country. Thankfully.

He got the entire household infected. Entire household was also vaccinated.

It'd have to prevent spread in order to potentially justify people being "made" to take the vaccine.

Patient zero of covid-19 in my household was full vaccinated including the booster.

Oil heat is much cheaper than electric

damn damn damn

He got caught in a JIFfy

Lmao at you thinking it'd reasonable for people to risk car accidents so that you can weave in and out of the traffic lane

So that the car behind them can potentially ram into them instead? Still a collision potential. All because you want to play in traffic

Very sane take. It'd be much better if they kept driving straight ahead and collided with you instead, right?

So true, head on collisions caused by cars having to swerve left to avoid bikers is a small price to pay

Is that logistically possible? And where does the money for this come from? Tax hikes?

Riding on the street is where you are legally supposed to be, but it's also a dangerous place to be for both the bike rider and the car drivers. That was the impetus for making the bike lanes in the first place IIRC. Otherwise why not just ride bikes on the street in traffic