So nothing is morally right then?

But how do you refute the objective and universal nature of biological needs?

We are genetically compelled to fulfill our biological needs, its literally mind and axiom independent, it doesnt matter what we believe in, we still have to obey our biology if we are sound of mind.

So any moral values developed from biology should be objective, right?

Its not like we can do anything else, we'd literally die if stop fulfilling our biological needs.

Because you either fulfill your biological needs or you die?

That's a very strong and objective "right".

In fact, its so strong that we cant even stop ourselves from wanting it, its in our genes, the biological need to survive and spread.

Even people who "wanna serve god" must have their biological needs fulfilled, they wont be alive to serve god otherwise, lol.

Isnt this the most objective standard/reference/right thing to do?

Its literally axiom independent.

Philosophy of trolls maybe.

Because biological needs are things nobody can reject and they apply to everyone regardless of their personal preference?

Unless you are not sound of mind, I doubt anyone would deliberately self torture for fun, biological needs always take over in the end.

You can say its the objective foundation of our existence, which means we have an objective reference to build our morality.

It is basically mind independent.

Philosophy is about the pursuit of what serves the people and animals best.

What truth are we talking about here? Subjective truth? Moral truth?

lol you are right, lots of amateurs in most Reddit philosophy subs, especially askphilosophy.

Sometimes you get a few "philosophy" students or "graduates" who dont really know what they are talking about, its like they barely graduated or something.

Still, its worth a try. lol

Nothing is, you cant scientifically prove evil (or good), you can only prove that certain behaviors are acceptable or not acceptable to the majority, but acceptance changes over time, region and culture for a variety of reasons and justifications.

Google subjective morality/moral anti realism.

This is why slavery used to be ok, women used to have no right to vote, heck even human sacrifice used to be ok.

Subjective morality, basic philosophy 101, are you kidding?

>You haven't actually resolved the moral question. Why is it right to fulfill those biological needs? What makes that correct? By what standard, and by what authority is that standard applied to everyone? You can ask the same slate of questions of every purported moral system out there, and I, for one, have never seen convincing answers.

1. We have universal and objective biological needs to be healthy and free from harm, people are just born with these needs. (animals too)
2. We ought to do things that maintain our biological needs, because they are innate to our existence. (due to evolution).
3. Therefore we ought to develop morality based on biological needs, which are universal and objective.

Would this be a good premise and conclusion for moral objectivity?

Psychos are not sound of mind, I doubt we can use their behaviors as an argument.

Even psychos want a healthy life too, they just dont mind getting it at the expense of other people.

Good and Evil are vague man made concept, in reality there is only what people are willing to accept or not, which changes over time, culture and region.

Only subjective consensus matters.

Has anyone actually solved the Objective Vs Subjective Morality debate?

A lot of people are on the objective camp (with various arguments) but more and more people are jumping to the subjective camp.

Some say morality must be objective because we have biological needs like good health, which is universal, so anything that promotes good health in life should be objectively moral?

I believe Sam Harris uses the same logic.

What say you? Morals are objective or subjective? What is your argument?

I think we should focus on tech, as in transhumanism or transanimalism, because no matter how much we try to philosophize about it, the body and mind will react to pain and suffering in a negative way, unless we tech up and make our body and mind resilient, just like a robot cant feel pain and can easily repair or replace damaged parts.

We could at least get rid of the physical aspect of pain and suffering, our minds could greatly improve with AI integration too (brain chips), making it far better at processing stimuli than what nature could do.

Become as strong and as durable as machines but as smart and wise as humans.

Johnny Depp Transcendence.