More that they don’t consider them a real threat, and sympathize with a lot of their points.

They absolutely know where the real domestic terror threat is, but they clearly don’t believe their own stats, based on where they put their resources and how badly they bungle prosecutions of right wing groups like the Bundys.

Sure, when it’s brown people. Not when it’s right wing white guys.

Right, but it’s a choice that people are going to make.

Wishing that people were better isn’t a policy plan and sure isn’t going to reduce the problem.

It’s what you need if you actually want it to not happen.

We can moralize all we want about it, but that’s the reality. If it’s the only possible transport method, people are going to do it.

We should also acknowledge the reality that the risk of driving tipsy alone on a country road and on I-5 are not remotely the same. Neither are good, but the risk is not the same.

I mean, it’s not like sheriffs function any differently.

It’s not like it’s even a good way of extracting revenue! The state is going to get way more out of someone being employable in the long run. Plus not paying all the social costs.

But someone being a functional citizen and paying taxes makes no money for the prison and rehab industries.

Right, that was exactly what I was saying. Right now in theory someone who was pulled over for a .05 isn’t drunk driving. With this they would be.

I agree it won’t change behavior. It’ll make the state and a bunch of private rehab companies some revenue, at the cost of a number of ruined lives. And less wealth all around of course, but hey, the private treatment places got their cut.

This would in fact vastly increase drunk driving by redefining it.

Sure, right after we roll out European level dense and frequent public transit, across the entire state.

Even in cities the transit shuts down before the bars. In anyplace rural, there is no transit.

Tossing someone in jail because they had 3 IPAs over the course of an evening at a friends house and then drove home on an empty road at 1 am is absurd.

That’s part of it, there is a huge difference between trying to manage city and highway traffic and a country road where you won’t see another car.

So one beer if it’s the kind people around here actually drink?

So without vastly expanding public transit in a way that simply won’t happen, this is either going to lead to a vastly higher number of DUIs, and/or cops starting to ignore people being over the limit, at their discretion.

Because it’s not like cops are having two bud lights on a night out.

You think that dozens of people across the country are just randomly all deciding to attack power substations in the same way?

This is absolutely a coordinated attack by right wing terrorists. If this was a bunch of Muslims doing it, every TV talking head would be breathlessly talking about this novel new method of terrorism and of terrorist organizing.

Then DNR needs a ton more money, which has to come from somewhere.

They’re managing a fire season which is two months longer, and over a much larger risk area, with basically the same budget they historically had.