VelveteenAmbush

VelveteenAmbush t1_j9fw9d7 wrote

> You talk about other systems that end in autocracy, and/or misery but capitalism does too.

No it doesn't, that's crazy. The United States is the longest continuous democracy in the entire world.

> The answer ultimately lies in regulations, and making economic equality the top priority.

No, the richest and most powerful countries with the highest median quality of life are the ones that prioritize growth, not equality. Prioritizing equality gets you the Soviet Union. Prioritizing growth gets you the United States.

> Greed is just another addiction, no different than heroin

The difference is that greed, when channeled through capitalism, creates value for everyone. Jeff Bezos wasn't an altruist when he founded Amazon, but the result is that everyone in the United States can have just about anything they want delivered to their door in a couple of days for free. Steve Jobs was a greedy, rapacious capitalist, but he gave us the iPhone. Etc.

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VelveteenAmbush t1_j9dk32x wrote

An alternative take is that even with a nutty would-be authoritarian president who literally tried to overturn an election, the system was resilient enough to toss him out of power right on time, with no indications that he came anywhere close to succeeding.

But yes, I agree that Kim Jong-Un is a good example of what you get with alternatives to capitalism.

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VelveteenAmbush t1_j9dep2g wrote

> Any other proposition will sound ridiculous to you, because all we have ever known is capitalism.

We've seen some other propositions. The problem is that they all end in immiseration and authoritarianism, and the logic of why they do makes sense, so the proponents of further experiments have their work cut out justifying why their path won't lead to the same place, and they should think about how to run small-scale experiments to prove their ideas before putting whole societies at risk.

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VelveteenAmbush t1_j8fusa5 wrote

> I feel that the real challenge is to control language models using structured data, perform planning, etc.

I think the promise of tool-equipped LLMs is that these tools may be able to serve that sort of purpose (as well as, like, being calculators and running wikipedia queries). Could imagine an LLM using a database module as a long-term memory, to keep a list of instrumental goals, etc.. You could even give it access to a module that lets it fine-tune itself or create successor LLMs in some manner. All very speculative of course.

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VelveteenAmbush t1_j7pxngk wrote

Yes, 100% agree. This "can we coerce the model into saying something bad" is just a game that journalists play to catastrophize new technology and juice their engagement metrics. There's bad stuff on the internet, too, and you can find it with search engines. We still use search engines because they're incredibly useful.

The embarrassing part is that Google was so afraid of these BS stories that they kept LaMDA stuck in a warehouse for over two years while OpenAI and Microsoft lapped them.

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VelveteenAmbush t1_j7igaj9 wrote

They should be scared of both. OpenAI is capable of scaling ChatGPT and packaging a good consumer app themselves. Bing gets them faster distribution but it isn't like OpenAI is a paper tiger. Google wouldn't be able to compete with either of them in the long term if it continued to refuse to ship its own LLMs.

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