Zenith2017

Zenith2017 t1_j9lgoq8 wrote

Education research for the last 40+ years would disagree heavily with you. Standardized testing primarily reflects the ability to repeat rote information you've memorized, and is especially useless on question types like multiple choice or mix and match columns. We also know there are plenty of students who have inhibitions to standardized testing including executive function, attention, and learning disorders - and that most of those kids are not being put into an IEP or special needs program that can fit their needs.

I know it makes sense on paper (heh) that if you can't put it on a test you don't know it. But that's not really an accurate reflection of what a student knows or how they think, there's better ways for us to go about this with evidence-based learning science

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Zenith2017 t1_j9fuh4z wrote

I could have made my point more clear. What I mean to say is, because we know it doesn't deter a premeditated violent crime, I'm pretty sure it will also not deter a premeditated large scale financial crime and that is why I say the theory doesn't hold water. My greater implication being that the death penalty doesn't help in basically any way, there's no benefits that aren't based on emotional responses

I do agree with your point that something like that affects way way way more people and at larger scales than any isolated violent action. Steal $50 with a gun and you're away for 20, steal $50M with a Ponzi scheme and you're put away for a couple years at best

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Zenith2017 t1_j9ftysa wrote

Honestly I lean towards no. And there's slippery slope and liberty implications which I appreciate. But if we're asking, does a parent have the right to deprive their child of basic knowledge necessary to function in society, I gotta say no on the same grounds as beating your kid isn't ok. Being a parent isn't free reign to abuse your child and I very much think zero real education is abuse

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Zenith2017 t1_j96vsee wrote

I'd say it's still an incel mindset either way

Edit to explain more - I feel it's evolved from the original meaning to also include misogynistic (and misandristic et al) behaviors based around the idea that someone owes you sexual consideration or favors for really any reason, and the backlash these people display when they don't get it.

Think of the scenario where a person comes on to someone, gets rejected, and says "I didn't like you anyway / you're not attractive anyway / fuck you anyway" as a form of retribution. That's incel to me and it can definitely manifest in "nice girls" type of cultures as well as the more classic "nice guy" archetype

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