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____purple t1_j5ap7r9 wrote

Reply to comment by RonPMexico in European countries voting age population (10+ m.) and Russians non/voting for Putin in the last relatively fair election in Russia (2000), m. [OC] by Populationdemography

I think that any government is comparable to an adult child of the nation.

Don't you think it's a good metaphor? Why?

I easily can tell you that you are a moron since your first comment. And I can go out and call a lot of people morons for various reasons. Cause I'm sure I know better, and I definitely know different. But instead I talk and show the thought process behind my opposite opinion, cause you know, calling people morons is not fun and not helpful

Y' know, youre even wrong that you wrote this comment. You should've just ghost me, if you have nothing to say. Feeling or expressing anger is not good for you in any way.

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____purple t1_j5amvzq wrote

Reply to comment by RonPMexico in European countries voting age population (10+ m.) and Russians non/voting for Putin in the last relatively fair election in Russia (2000), m. [OC] by Populationdemography

No counterargument? As I said, it's possible to follow this logic without metaphor, but it becomes a bit too abstract to read. Probably it's already a bit too abstract to read for you.

I was hoping for a decent debate but all I got was some dipshit :(

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____purple t1_j5aku6x wrote

Reply to comment by RonPMexico in European countries voting age population (10+ m.) and Russians non/voting for Putin in the last relatively fair election in Russia (2000), m. [OC] by Populationdemography

Yeah, it was on behalf of Americans who supported the war. The government represents you only until you are in agreement with it's actions, otherwise you are oppressed by the government, and basically being held hostage for labor and taxes. In this case you probably should change the government, of your country or with immigration, or continue being a victim, it's up to your abilities and vision.

Let's talk people here, as governments are inherently people (and otherwise it'll be too many abstractions).

Are parents responsible for their adult child crimes? They raised him, they are pretty much the entire thing that created him. Also society, of course. No, they are not, they did what they had to (provide food, shelter and some upbringing), the consequences are for the society to handle. What if one of them also provided an offensive weapon or joined the crime? This one is responsible. What if one of them was forced to commit a crime at gunpoint? No, it's called being held hostage. What if while being held hostage one did not use a possibility to escape or arrest the criminal? Still no.

Putin and the governmental apparatus are an adult child criminal, Russians are parents. Those fighting on his side, or providing support towards illegal actions are the responsible, helping parent. Oppressed once are victims. There are immigrants/refugees - escaped victims. There's society - the whole world. Victims, escaped victims and the society should work together to stop the criminal and supporting forces.

This applies to every single conflict, including Iraq, WW2 and others. Sometimes the society wins, sometimes the criminal manipulates everyone into thinking the victim is the criminal.

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____purple t1_j59su64 wrote

Reply to comment by RonPMexico in European countries voting age population (10+ m.) and Russians non/voting for Putin in the last relatively fair election in Russia (2000), m. [OC] by Populationdemography

> The government derives its power from the governed.

True

> The government acts on behalf of the citizen.

Not true. Democratic government acts on behalf of the majority of headcount, and majority is not whole.

As your second statement is not true, you can not conclude valid point from it.

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