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actualtext t1_izy01e0 wrote

I made the mistake of trying to read the comments on that article. People hitching about the MTA spending on this. I don’t know about you but this is exactly the kind of new infrastructure stuff that we should be seeing more of. Ideally in the subway system but this works too.

I think it would be great if all Metro North and Long Island Rail Road had a 1 fare zone within the city limits to encourage more usage of those stations where people may currently be discouraged. I’m not sure what the rides will cost from the Bronx to Penn Station but if it’s more than an express bus I’m sure it’s going to already be a losing proposition for most people. Doesn’t mean it won’t get used but it would get used more with a lower fare obviously.

I’m happy this is finally happening. I’m hoping under Hochul maybe we’ll see other useful public transit projects like this get started (and maybe completed).

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actualtext t1_izlxqfm wrote

I’ll agree to disagree. I wasn’t his biggest fan mind you but I don’t think anyone was particularly perfect with the handling of COVID. My memory isn’t the best but I’m also not about to go on googling the timeline of events during 2020 and 2021. I’d like to forget those yrs if possible lol I don’t believe he was horrendous to the point where his policies increased the rate of COVID infection. I think given NYC is the major international entry point into the US, it makes perfect sense why we’ve gotten hit the worst every fall/winter. Don’t believe that’s changed and don’t see how anything BDB would have done could have improved that short of maintaining lockdowns which I think we can all agree are imperative.

Meanwhile I can’t tell you a single good damn thing that our current mayor has done in his first full year. Lots of platitudes and showboating but nothing to show for it. And he’s stopping universal pre-k which just seems idiotic when you want to attract families/keep families in the city and get parents to work outside their homes. I’m still rooting for him and hoping some of his ideas bare fruit though. He’s got 3 yrs left and realistically probably 7 unless things get horrendous.

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actualtext t1_izl8gp1 wrote

> Though he did let the subway go to shit which has encouraged people to keep the cars they bought during Covid.

The governor is responsible for the MTA. The mayor can help with some aspects like DOT helping out with bus lanes and the NYPD patrolling the subway system. But ultimately the subway is controlled by the governor.

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actualtext t1_ixui094 wrote

I'm not sure why you're speaking to me like I disagree with the idea. I'm just suggesting that if they are going to move forward with this then they should reconsider the seats and their arrangement in buses. It's quite obvious how they've ended up in the current state where strollers must be folded. If their plan is just to basically pilot it "allow strollers on and change nothing else to see what happens" then I'd be concerned that the stroller isn't really anchored down from a safety perspective (we'll ignore the space issue).

I'm simply suggesting that there should be more foldable seats so that the stroller doesn't take up the walking aisle. And there should be more anchors so that the stroller doesn't go flying in case of a last minute brake. Similar to how a wheelchairs have a section where the seats fold up and the chairs are anchored down.

I think in a city where buses can get real packed, it is definitely imperative that the MTA maximize the use of bus space to accommodate everyone and everything they expect to board buses whether it be wheelchairs, strollers, bikes, travel suitcases, etc. For example, on the M60 bus they have an entire section devoted to suitecases. The MTA would do well to approach think about this for trains as well where I feel like bikes are much more common to see.

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actualtext t1_ixu4uh1 wrote

I haven’t seen the results live but have taken the bus before with parents using strollers I can see why they require they be folded up. They take up so much space. I think to make this somewhat efficient they really need to redesign the seats so that more of them can be folded up and strollers aren’t in the way. I’m not sure what that looks like but it should at least be considered.

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actualtext t1_iwhif9d wrote

I think Adams is facing resistance to reform certain laws because from what I recall he was basing his arguments that had no basis on data. Basically blaming bail reform laws. We know for a fact that's not the issue.

At this point, the only thing two things one could argue is that: 1) the state should consider an objective standard that allows a judge to revoke bail and 2) to reconsider what crimes are bail eligible. There's also the component where DAs have discretion on reducing criminal charges that also gets tricky because at the end of the day they need to defend their cases and if you go to high on the charges the person might get away free.

I asked for the splits because you made a comparison initially but then didn't do so later on when you broke things down by race. If the point is that crime against POC in NYC is out of control and ignored then let's compare that to other city and see the breakdown. Comparisons are very helpful. And so are trends. It doesn't mean you can ignore crime. But perspective is important.

I think what it boils down to is the following. Crime is up compared to recent years but not anywhere near the worst years of crime in this city and country. But historic numbers are obviously not very useful for people feeling the uptick in crime. So if crime is up what are the contributing factors that have led to that rise in crime? Is crime worse in NYC compared to the rest of the state? Is it worse than other cities and/or states? Is it worse for certain racial groups? Or is it worse because of new laws? Or is it because of the pandemic? Higher unemployment? Inflation? Because certain practices were discontinued? You get the idea. Obviously you'd need to normalize the data.

I think those pieces of info can help inform how to best tackle the issue of reducing crime in the short and long term. It's quite obvious that having police in every street and every train and station is not feasible. I don't know what the NYPD is doing but I imagine each precinct has their areas where they focus more on due to higher criminal activity. But there are issues that the NYPD simply isn't going to be able to tackle. Like mental health issues and addiction and homelessness. They are real issues and impact quality of life in the city but are they crimes? Feels like to me that this is the real issue and outside of Hochul saying they are making more use of Kendra's law, I'm not sure if that has been sufficient. Or if that needs to be improved upon.

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actualtext t1_iwh3nj5 wrote

> Also uncomfortable is the fact that Eric Adams is a black mayor who was a former cop, voted by many POC who were worried about public safety.

That's right. He ran on a police friendly platform. How's that working out? I'm not surprised much hasn't changed under him.

> * NYC: 15.3 blacks murdered per 100,000 blacks in NY > (With the same calculation, the murder rate victimizing whites in NYC is 0.8 per 100,000)

Since you were comparing the numbers to Jacksonville, what do those splits look like? Also, can you share your data source?

No one is saying the media is making up numbers. What people are saying is some specific outlets were and continue to leverage fear in whatever capacity to get people to vote a certain way and to slowly change how people think. They'll make connections where none exist. They'll look at numbers and not provide context. This happens on both sides of course. But the fact remains that crime is up all over the country. The media would have you believe that things are completely out of control in NYC and that's it's complete chaos here.

If you want to focus on how this is primarily impacting POC, it would be interesting to see trends over the last 25 years broken down by race.

I could be wrong, but I'm willing to bet that the issue of POC experiencing more crime is not a product of color skin but rather of poverty. Further, I'm willing to bet it's a lot more POC committing crime against other POC. And I say that because I'm going to guess if you're POC you're probably more likely to live in a poorer neighborhood.

To another of your points, having a weekly thread dedicated to crime has been great. It's not censorship. People can post and discuss as they want. It's literally stickied. It feels like a lot more topics are coming up now that are more varied instead of feeling like the sub was being brigaded and literally all focused on crime. I for one hope this arrangement sticks.

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actualtext t1_iupd83x wrote

Thanks for sharing that. That’s an quite insightful article. So it sounds like it’s just costly in general at the moment. There’s also the transitional costs, but it sounds like once that transition takes place and more buses are ordered/produced, there will be more competition and lower costs longer term.

It’s nice we’re moving towards electric and suspect that in the aggregate the impact is a net positive. The article goes into things that aren’t so explicitly stated but easy to forget such as the fact that pollution has a cost. An example shared in the article:

> Their research cited a state comptroller’s report which found that asthma costs taxpayers $1.3 billion every year. “The number one cause of absenteeism in New York is asthma, much of which is related to air pollution,” said Julie Tighe, the league’s president.

Anyways, happy we’re making strides in this direction. We just need to start getting more serious about producing green energy now. Some of the deals to get hydro energy signed earlier this year by Hochul is a great start. Maybe these bus depots, can investigate the use of solar panels to further reduce costs? Not sure what that would look like but I’m guessing battery storage so that buses can charge at night.

It sucks that this article either intentionally or unintentionally did not go any further into investigating the reason these school buses were so costly. The headline and price tag will make people assume we’re wasting money or being overcharged when that doesn’t seem to be the case.

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actualtext t1_iup1vyi wrote

That’s $362,745 per bus. Some insight into that would be great. Without knowing what a school bus typically costs, that seems kind of high? Is it a NY price because you gotta charge the city more just cause l? Or is it just because electric buses are rarer and more expensive? Is it because of the batteries? Maybe something else? Hopefully over time they get cheaper.

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