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See, back in the day people were litterally antiwriting because they thought it would make people forgetful. People were anti car, TV, and so on. People were anti books, computers, internet, and now crypto. And like everything there is people anti AI.

Do they have worries? Yes. But are they founded? Not really. They think AI will kill us. But they never ask why. Like do you go out of your way to kill random bugs and germs for no reason? Same here

Now should people worry about it taking their jobs. Yes. But that is a good thing. There needed to be an economic shift. It hasn't happen, but there needs to be changes. Too many hard working people can't really survive on what they have, and they basically turned into a lifetime slave. AI is likely to fix this.

I found the best questions is ones where the answer is in the question. Like

What color is a pink elephant?

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How tall is a 3 foot man?

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Change the color and subject, and what you will find is most AI can't answer that basic question. Like most will assume you are looking for pictures, or they will just get confused.

>My question was posed as "without AGI" as in between now and whenever AGI becomes a reality, if coding actually writing code from text prompts gets simple enough then anyone could do it.

It won't happen. At least not at first. Like it would be a generational thing. Think of fully remote work. Studies have shown it massively reduce the cost of running a company, the employees are far more productive, the employees are far more loyal, and so on.

What we both are talking about will kill off middle management. Just like what they are doing with remote work, execs and middle management will fight tooth and nail for this to not be a thing.

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Like if it was as simple as you make the tool and people will use it. Then yes. But it has to be so dead simple that it has to spit out an app under a minute or the CEO kid needs to use it and tell their parent about it. OR DAO have to take over (companies ran by software/AI).

>But how long would it take to train someone to get the prompts down?

You're missing what I'm saying by miles. AGI in theory if built right you could say to the program "I want an android app that does x", and that's all the info it needs. Like human coders I wouldn't down you need revisions. So a manger could say, "the client wants x" and it makes the change as if they were talking to a developer.

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On the client or manger side it is more than less the same. Most managers over coders now have no idea about coding.

If it can't be that dead simple, I don't think you will see a wave of coders losing their job due to automation.

I will copy and paste what I said somewhere else.

I think you will need AGI for most developers to lose their job. Like the average person, management, etc doesn't know what to ask the AI to do to get it to do what they want.

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I think the jobs that are at most risk with modern or near modern AI is things like accountants, basic legal, and things like that. Things where you can put in exact inputs or give a system whatever, and it will spit out the answer.

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I think we are maybe 10 years from it starting to take over a lot of engineering jobs.

I think you will need AGI for most developers to lose their job. Like the average person, management, etc doesn't know what to ask the AI to do to get it to do what they want.

I seen something similar when people say it can't do everything they do or or isn't on the same level.

They are comparing it to what they know. Regular software which doesn't get better over time without major updates. In reality, it needs to be looked as a generation thing. Where each generation it gets far better and it can do more. And AI generations can last for weeks to months. If enough data and use is done. In days. Like look at image recognition 2 years ago to now.

Some accounting firms are already comparing their workers with AI. Where when the output will be on the same level or better than the worker. The worker is at risk. And prior to then, then AI is being trained by the worker through just doing their job.

Like AI is being ban in some courts because how good they are at finding ways out of parking tickets and other things.

>Model: Oh wow, that's a big question. I'm not sure I know much about that. But I can tell you how dogs are used to sniff out drugs at the airport!

User: I have 2 dogs

Model: Wow! That sounds like a lot of work for those dogs! Do they get tired out?

User: What? Are you insulting me?

Model: Hmm ... oh sorry, gotta bounce! 👋 Nice chatting with you about dogs, their noses, and how they can be used to sniff out drugs at the airport! But I gotta go now! Bye!!!

Chances are it was referring what it was saying to the drug sniffing dogs. Like it thought your 2 dogs were drug sniffing dogs.

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It seems to not be too good at dramatically changing the conversation.

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Something I wonder is how deep is it's memory. Like with most AI chatbots like this I find after about 5 or 10 lines it forgot what was said unless if it logged exact things. Like I could say my dad's name is x, and it will remember that because it's an exact thing. But if I say how my day is going and the breakfast I had. Then a good bit later ask it what breakfast I had to test the memory. The majority of AI chat bots won't remember it.

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I do hope this does comes to Google assistant products. It would be interesting to see how people interact with it.

>If a company goes out of business and there is a need that can be met for money (repairs of an older model, or need to replace said model) then a new business is born.

There is people today with medical implants from a business that went out of business. Many their unit broke and they have no way to repair it. There has been repair companies that came up, but most died quickly due to lack of supplies.

You're thinking of something like a smartphone when you need to be thinking of something like a medical device. These devices will be attached to us in a serious way or they will be inside of our bodies. Like imagine having the repair place having to take out one of your eyes to work on it. Now what if they used lead or other things that can cause long term problems? These aren't companies you can just spin up. Unlike a smart phone, these things can kill people if repaired wrong.

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>a world with more time, perhaps will make better lungs for hiking the Himalayas, or interplanetary needs may leave one desiring a cyborg body if only temporary, or a robotic one should they not want to cross space for years at a time- the possibilities are endless, so with that clue we should assume the modifications will also be endless.

I imagine at some point we will be able to remotely control a robot as if we are there. This taking away all danger other than PTSD. So like you want to hike the Himalayas, but maybe don't have the money to travel, you have only the weekend to do it, or you just don't want to be in the danger. You can just rent out a remote robot you can use a brain implant to remotely control as if you were there. And with sensors you can see, smell, and so on as if you are there. (side note, I have no doubt the porn industry will make this possible. Like that is most likely going to be where a lot of the funding will come in. Most likely even more than the military.)

Don't mix my words. You're simply not worth my time.

You're too stupid. Like if you were ignorant then that's is one thing. But I can't work with stupid. Stupid is a waste of my time. Hence why I said you are a waste of my time

Look I don't have the time to read through your book. But obviously with the little I did look at you have no care to educate yourself.

And this simply makes you not worth my time. Like I can counter everything you said, you then basically repeat whatever anti-crypto crap. Like you already got into name calling. But at the end you will keep pushing false info, and I know enough to see through it. So it is a waste of both of our time.

Like I've given you facts and you're loaded with opinions. While the information you tried to use to legitimize it is flat out wrong. It's your opinion and I respect you don't like new technology. Many boomers and boomer mentality people don't. It is fine.

Anyways, I hope you have a good day. When you do open your mind up to being educated then please feel free to come back. But until then, talking to stupid is a net negative.

IDK why someone downvoted you.

Anyways, what we are talking about here is elective surgery. By then it is likely we will have stuff like brain implants that act as memory banks. Where everything you see or hear will be recorded. Like a blackbox in your head.

Like you mention we are really really early in this. As far as my understanding, those who get this surgery today only can see basic shapes. Even ear implants it's early as many run into major problems with them and many finds it helps in no way. Where it can even hurt the person physically. Right now the field is far from user friendly.

But the writing is on the wall

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It isn't a matter of if but when.

They been approved? Like it takes normally 10 years to get approved to make sure there is no lasting problems.

>Trustlessness costs loads of energy and is impossible.

You obviously don't know what trustless means.

If you're saying crypto in general cost loads of energy. It's actually far far far less than the normal banking system. Look at how much energy Visa alone uses. Seriously think about this for 5 seconds. You never hear about media bitching about how much energy the banks use, you never even hear it come up in normal media. But how much energy do they use to just stay alive and do what they do? How much energy does it cost just to send money to someone overseas?

To send money to another country it might have to go through 15 countries and several weeks even if you're sending money to a country in walking distance. And each location takes a massive fee with it.

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If you're using the mining bit. Most are staking, but even if all were mining. It uses far less energy than Christmas lights in the USA alone. Lights that are just meant for cosmetic, that are only around for a month or less, and it's only looking at 1 country vs a world wide crypto mining. But... you don't hear anyone bitching about how much energy Christmas lights use. Keep in mind a ton of energy your power plant makes is wasted to prevent blackouts. That wasted energy in some locations goes to crypto mining and ramps up or down based on the electric company. Some electric companies even mine to help with this.

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>Also talking trustlessness in a world built on trust is making a fool of yourself. We gain from trusting each other.

Trustless means the system works even without trust. I don't need to trust you to do the right thing, and you don't need to trust me to do the right thing. No trust is needed.

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>There is no AI systems which need to autonomously take out loans and there will be solutions by the time such systems emerge.

I just told you this system exist in crypto. An AI/software ran company is called a DAO. That stands for Decentralized Autonomous Organization.

We have a ton of them. One of the major plus of a DAO is it cuts out the corruption from the upper staff and the management of a company. Some pay full salaries with real $ to employees. Hiring accountants, graphic artist, and so on. Their boss is an AI.

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>At least by sending money with traditional systems I don't have to care whether the transaction finishes or my clown token dives in value.

We don't worry about transactions finishing. Stable coins are pegged to the $. 1 coin = $1.

>Also there are already solutions bypassing standard bank transfers which remove the costs associated.

The average person that transfers fiat to another country loses over 15% of the value due to fees and other things. It could take a few weeks.

Crypto can be near instant. And some like Nano has 0 transfer fees.

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>Edit: should have checked earlier OP is CC regular.

And?

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>Explains detachment from reality.

During this you proven your knowledge starts and ends with old propaganda. That you do 0 research in something.

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Did you know most gov are working on their own CBDC. This is to include the USA. Basically after a given point you won't be able to use or get physical money, and all of it is going to be on the blockchain. Some countries already are pushing out there CBDC.

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Now here is my question for you. Why do you care? Like why are you getting pissed? Why are you taking it so personal?

Nothing you do will change what will or has happened. So why care enough to get pissed over a technology to the point you want to slander it without doing an ounce of research.

>It's like crypto - you could use it but existing solutions are objectively better.

Send money to someone overseas. Look at how much you waste doing it other methods.

There is actual uses crypto is solving. Like trustless verification system. Trustless logistic systems. And so on.

In fact a big example is software in crypto can take out loans. Like you have software that runs companies. It can take out loans with DeFi. But with CeFi (what is used outside of crypto) software can't take out loans. So outside of crypto you can't have an AI that runs a company and take out loans no matter how advance the AI is.

Chances are AR contacts will happen in 5 years, where robot eyes in 10 or 20 years. Keep in mind robot eyes will most likely require medical approval, brain implants, and so on.

And chances are by the time we get robot eyes we will have a brain bank implant. Where it stores all our day to day. Everything we see, hear, etc and we can recall it in an instant.

Ya this is assuming all that is good. Like to just OK an implant I think it will take a good 10 years of study before it is marked as safe. Maybe more.

I think getting a doctor to OK it even after might be hard. But I think as it becomes more of a normal thing it might not be as hard. Like look at boob implants as an example. It had an uphill battle, and even if you want it the doctors that gave it was far and few between. But after it became popular it became where you didn't need to travel halfway across the country to get to a doctor to do it.

>I think AR implants/contact lenses are at least 20 years away.

I think what will happen between then and now is more AR stuff being used in our day to day life. Like instead of buying monitors we will have AR glasses. Mix it up with newer wireless power tech that is coming out, and in theory power won't be a problem.

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Like at the rate of things AR glasses could be a 1 stop shop where you get your TV, monitors, and so on.

But with this you can physically take it on and off. So when a shop or whatever doesn't want you to record stuff. You can simply remove them. We seen this with the V1 Google glasses.

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>The recording aspect is interesting, although that could be ripe for abuse i.e. hacking personal videos and/or creep shots.

I doubt it will be hacked. Like look at all the security cameras, your phone/tablet/webcam, and so on. The fact is we have far more chances of this now than ever.

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Like you will have creep shots. I can see a mod someone might get is where they make their fingers into cameras. This letting them see and take pictures/videos of things they shouldn't.

But if anything, I worry more about how cops freak out when they see you are recording them when they are trying to interact with you. And they get pissed, threaten, and even attack if you even tell them this is the only evidence you can show in court if they try to go nuts and lie (which seems to happen often). That or cops forcing you through some warrant or whatever to give up all your recordings in your head to them.

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But I even more worry about if I have eye implants. Since they could be and most likely are constantly recording. Even more if I have horrible memory and I have an implant to help with this. How will that work in places that flat out don't want me to have a camera. Like will I just not be allowed to work a top secret job? Would I be ban automatically from any movie chain? And so on.

Like with our current laws and system. I could see simply having an eye implant means you won't be able to work in most places since they might be worried you might be playing with your AR at work, you are recording things you shouldn't, and so on. Like I can see Walmart keeping you from working there because if you use their bathroom, then problems could happen.