drpvn

drpvn t1_iy9o73a wrote

I’m not sure there should be a rule in the first place.

Edit: I would think the trick is to separate quotidian crime reports that are essentially one-off events from stories that are more significant. So the buckets could be:

>Rule: articles whose main subject matter is the commission of specific crimes should be posted in the crime thread.

>Exceptions:

>* articles about corruption by public officials.

>* “meta-crime” articles about responses to specific crimes. For example, statements by politicians in response to specific crimes. Or analysis/discussion of crime trends.

>* articles about crimes that are of extraordinary significance to the city as a whole. For example, the attempted subway mass-shooter. Or a story about a terrorist attack or an attempted terrorist attack. This exception would require the judicious use of mod discretion.

>Possibly other exceptions.

One concern is the constant tug of war here between habitual crime-posters and habitual “fuck the police” posters. If posts about crime are banned because they give the impression that the city is a hellhole, it would be a shame if the sub continues to get spammed with stories about alleged police misconduct. This isn’t to say that police misconduct doesn’t happen. But crime happens, too. And allowing anti-police posts while banning crime posts seems like putting a thumb on the scale of an ongoing debate about policing and public safety. But that may be unavoidable if we’re banning crime posts.

Just some off the cuff thoughts.

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drpvn t1_iy9lfx5 wrote

Agree the rule needs to be better articulated but this isn’t it.

> A guideline is, is mainstream, reputable news (e.g. NYT, WSJ, etc) covering it,

Lol if you mean “don’t allow Post stories” just say it.

> and/or is it part of a multi-day news cycle.

So we get posts about the same crime over and over because they keep appearing in the news?

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drpvn t1_iy970ix wrote

“Correcting the housing crisis” is a long-term project. Even if there were the will to massively expand new housing in NYC, that wouldn’t be a substitute for the problem of severe mental illness among the homeless.

> the following circumstances could be reasonable indicia of an inability to support basic needs due to mental illness that poses harm to the individual: serious untreated physical injury, unawareness or delusional misapprehension of surroundings, or unawareness or delusional misapprehension of physical condition or health.

Gee, you think?

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drpvn t1_iy95db8 wrote

I don’t think you did understand my words if you think that pointing out that it’s not true that “Reddit is only populated by young white online men” is refuting anything I wrote.

Yes, it’s very likely that this sub’s biggest user group is young white men. That would be consistent with the survey data about Reddit’s overall demographics.

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drpvn t1_iy8md0e wrote

The point is that “the vast majority” of NYC voters did not think Adams’ message that crime was a serious problem was inaccurate.

If your point is that most young white online male voters in NYC disagreed with Adams’ message, and this sub is mostly populated by young white men, and so the focus on crime here is not what one would expect from a group of young white online men who live in NYC, then you probably have a point.

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drpvn t1_iy8ks8n wrote

There are certainly some people who post here who don’t live in the city and who get their kicks shitting on NYC with tales of the urban apocalypse. But at the same time, “the vast majority of people who actually live in NYC” are not on Reddit. And NYC voters elected Eric Adams Mayor on a tough-on-crime message. So I would disagree that most people don’t think crime is a serious problem in NYC. Just because you think they’re stupid doesn’t mean they don’t exist.

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drpvn t1_iy8j85o wrote

I don’t really care one way or the other about whether crime posts are stuck in a weekly thread. But there needs to be a clear standard for what a post that “relates to crime” is. There will always be examples that are on the margins and require mods to use judgment. But it is not at all difficult to sketch out a basic standard, i.e., “articles whose main focus is a specific crime,” and illustrations of what is and is not an article that “relates to crime” for these purposes. If that isn’t done, then all crime posts should be allowed on the main sub.

Example: would a story about the guy who shot up the subway several months ago be relegated to the crime thread? If not, what’s the rationale? Just that the mods think it’s an “important” story? That’s not a great standard.

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