Is it some kind of Dolch colorway?

Yes :) it's very good looking

> yes it does. You said if you were running a GB it would be a different situation. So how would it be different?

It would be a different situation, because it that case I would be obliged to provide a good service. But I am not running a GB so it's not my problem.

>Correct. It's an insult, or in your case, a description, not a name. Always be correct.

Then I would call you a hypocrite

>Which implies you do in fact have an alternative. What is it?

No it doesn't.

>I didn't call you a name. Deluded is an adjective.

If I say you are acting like a moron, I don't call you names, it's just an adjective?

> but all the people who moan about them always fail to offer a workable alternative. They just moan about it. It's tiresome.

It's not up to me to offer an alternative. If I was running a GB it would be a different situation.

> If you think handing all of this over to big business will solve issues, you are deluded.

I don't appreciate you calling me names. It's rude.

> Why you, or anyone else who is interested in custom products wants that, is fucking beyond me.

I think you need to chill and open your mind a bit.

> It’s also worth noting that you cited your personal GB track record as a sign of the issue. The plural of anecdote is not data.

Are you kidding me? :D If everybody was acting like you say, there would be no discussions on the internet XD
Are you suggesting that I should be happy about GB because some people got some of their GBs on time, while I didn't receive any of mine ever even close to the estimated deadline?

> in the past why would you repeatedly participate in these GB?

Not any more. I participated in the last GB over a year ago and it will be the last one unless something really big will come up like Model F was

First of all I did propose a solution :)
Second of all, it's not up to me to fix it. Runners or companies that create group buys should. I am already paying money for somebody to figure it out for me. If I want to give money and solutions, I will be better off making my own creation for myself only.

>I'd rather you actually learn more actually. Geekhack, and Discord are where you will get this mostly publicly disseminated information.

Eh, the discrod that just informed me that Keyrative had no delays so far? You are right about the reddit help in this matter.

>I suspect it never occurred to you at all.

You know what? It did and I did contact people who designed things I bought. You are very presumptuous, do you know that mf?

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>Did it occur to you that those responding to you in this thread have?

You and the other guy ? XD

>Should you make posts where you condemn things you know little about? What do you think?

I have all the right to say what I think about venture I attend

How much further is it ok to go from an estimate? Is one week ok? A month? A year? Or as experienced over two years?

What's the point of giving a deadline then?

I am not buying keycaps from GMK, do you understand that? :D I would bother GMK about not sending me my keycaps if I bought it from them.

> I’m not going through 10 years of GH posts.

You just admitted that you don't have any example on any input in this conversation any more. Thank you for the involvement.

>I know how much it costs to make the molds for double shot novelties... do you? I know how much it costs to develop and design a keycap set properly... I mean the personal investment to the designer. Do you? I know how much the vendors pay GMK (for example) and how much profit is made by both the vendors and the designers... do you?

Are you going to tell some solid numbers or are you going to just respond with empty arguments?

> why are you failing to understand, despite being told by multiple sources, why you are wrong?

Because reddit "anonymous" coommenters are not a source of truth to me? :D If there would be a group buy runner or a vendor replying I would take it under consideration. As far as I know, everybody commenting is just as far as a buyer.

> Everything you are saying is based purely on your opinion, and backed up by precisely zero facts.

Fair enough. It's just my opinion and experience and I never stated the opposite.

>Do you actually have any real, workable solutions? No.

Yes, I stated them in my original post and comments.

>Are you just bitching because you have to wait for these crowd funded, low production run, bespoke products are made because you entered into them with the same attitude as you would have as buying something off Amazon? Yes.

Yes, because I paid for a product and I didn't receive it. Simple as that.

>Should you just stay away from group buys? Probably.

For sure I won't attend any more group buys (after attending 9). Should you improve not being bitchy to people? Also yes.

I will ask again, can you give me examples of runners that kept their deadlines?
From my experience, GMK group buys don't stick to their deadlines. I don't know if it's the manufacturer's fault or the runners but I blame the runner in the end because I am not buying keycaps from GMK. I buy them from the runner.

I would still like to know what's the percentage of the profit. What is the average income from a group buy, per keyboard? Do you know if any runner gave any post-mortem or post-success summary with values? I have a feeling that the only way of knowing how much you can profit is to run a GB by your own.

You are completely right, I give you that. I chosed poor group buys - Zeal's Xeno, first GMK Dots, first Massdrop x T0mb3ry GMK Carbon, etc.
Can you give me an example of runners that sticked to their deadlines?

>when you failed to do what might be the simplest part of buying into something, making sure the product actually exists or even could exist.

Can you elaborate? English is not my main language and I think my skill surrendered here.

Not how it went in GBs I was attending. You are just arguing for the sake of winning.

I could say the same about you, that you have no idea how the business and the manufacturing industry works in general. How would you feel?
I know exactly how it works as I am manufacturing items on a big and startup scale.
Don't be a jerk and stop projecting your insecurities on other people.

There is a logical solution and I stated it in my original post.

If you want a proto, do it on your own and then start a GB. Not the other way around.

I am not a partner, what are you even saying :D:D:D Nobody is. I would be a partner if I had a share if the profit and instead I am a client that takes a huge risk and a GB promoter is a person who takes all of the money (and of course puts work in design and "communication").
It's a mean thing to say to adjust my expectations. I won't ever settle for substandard.

All right, and I do go to the vendor in the end, but everybody is blurring the resposibility (vendor states that it is the group buy standard and it's up to the GB host), the GB runner says it's vendors and vendors... well they don't care because they don't have to.

Excuse me, where did I state that prototypes matter? I only say that if you do prototypes and they don't meet your standards, it's on you and not on clients who attend GB. You should take the fuckup under account and add it to the deadline instead of being a hype boy that says everything will go perfectly fine.

I do, and it sound like you like to take assumptions without a background.
I was attending Zeal's only keyboard GB - Xeno. It wasn't the only GB I was/am attending to and I won't take shit from a person that just can't understand that somebody can be pissed about something that he can cope with.

Fair enough. I'd like to see any name of a chinese manufacturer here :D And what difference would it make for us. I only care about a name behind a GB and I don't care who the person works with. I compare it to literally everything else that I've ever bought, starting from iphone, ending on the village fair smoked ham. I am buying a product from one company/person and I don't care how much it fucked up it's work during process of making the thing I want to buy.
I just require professionalism from everybody, especially if they take my money.