Hell yea. I captured some good video of it so I’ll never forget.

Yeah you’re not wrong about any of this, and a measured mind like yours is definitely what this country could use more of. Fuck Rittenhouse too though. He still had no business showing up at that scene with a gun from out of state. And it’s not like he’s shown himself to be an especially decent human even with the trial’s outcome. Mark my words we’ll be hearing seeing some new bad shit from him in the years to come.

Such a mentality can, but in this case we all know he’s a total piece of shit that’s fucked up or ruined a ridiculous amount of decent people’s lives, and he’s a proven con man. It’s like saying OJ wasn’t proven guilty so we should give him a pass when we all know he did it. I’m not saying we go after him or Trump w pitchforks, but we can still treat them like the garbage humans they are.

Christ dude, we’re talking about one massive piece of shit rapist douche bag here. We’re not about to start segregating wealthy businessmen from the population. They do that by themselves anyway.

Actually the main reason Trump would be featured in stuff was because the production was using his property and he’d basically demand a cameo as part of the agreement. He owned the Plaza Hotel when Home Alone 2 was made.

I was at home on the uws and it was glorious. Everyone cheering in the street/on the sidewalks. What a great moment. Felt like the end of a war or something.

Time to bring out the robots!

Ah haha! Gotta get that morning buzz I guess. Shame about midtown too. I really didn't get out much then and was further uptown so I never saw that area.

Haha. I hope this is /s

If you're outdoors hugging each other, touching each other in any way, having a bbq where infected folks are touching their faces/nose/eyes and then stuff that other people then touch, well then it's not exactly safe, is it?

I’ll never forget making a wrong turn on my way back into the city and ending up driving through the bronx for a while when Covid was in full swing. Almost no one was masked and people were having big gatherings in parks. Just seemed like it wasn’t gonna go well.

Omg this show is so good. Can’t thank you enough for alerting me to it!

Thanks for your balanced take on it. I admitted from the beginning that I feel a bit bad about it now. I don’t really regret it because for me it was part of my art practice, and it ultimately does no harm to the video’s subject if no one else sees it, but I still understand why someone might be bothered by the fact that I did it. Also back then I was like 22 and had a very different and less mature perspective on things. Seeing someone crying like that would just make me extremely sad now, whereas before I think I had more of that youthful lack of empathy that most people grow out of.

I see you lack foresight. Also there are plenty of people in that old footage completely unaware that there’s a camera filming them.

Who fucking cares anyway? There are cameras filming us all the time and we don’t even know it. Everywhere you go in NY you’re being recorded by a camera you can’t see. So what? It’s not like I’m doing anything bad with the footage.

I’ve caught a couple people recording me for who knows what reason and I didn’t care. I look like a couple famous people so I suspect it was a foreigner who wasn’t sure but wanted to capture me just in case.

And your thing about being confronted is way more of a risk these days than it was back in 2009 or 2010 when I was doing this. A lot of people still didn’t have smart phones and people were far less worried about being recorded in public like they are today.

These days an incident happens and basically everyone watching can record it and post it online. So people feel more threatened by the idea now than they did then. Of the 200+ times I made a recording, not once did anyone confront me. I wouldn’t expect the same today, and that’s part of why I don’t bother with this sort of thing anymore. It had its day.

But how is an art handler considered to work in the art industry when what they do really isn’t all that different than a talented mover or handyman who knows how to carefully move and/or assemble something valuable (that isn’t considered art)? Like I said, I personally believe that if your job specifically aids in the production or continuation of the art industry, then you’re working in the art industry, even if it’s just for a day here and there. I do see your points for sure, and like you said it’s kinda semantics, but I do feel it could be argued the other way. Just for fun maybe I’ll ask my guard friend if he’d consider himself to be working in the art industry, or if he sees himself as purely working in security.

Haha I just looked him up and I’ll have to check out his series. Sounds cool.

That’s how my recording sessions generally went. I’d most often record to or from work on the 6 from 86th st to Bleecker or back, so if they were on that whole time, they were probably getting filmed the whole time. I just checked and her video is about 13 mins long. Also i got it wrong and it was actually a lady standing up that handed her a tissue early on in the video, and the crying girl used it the whole time, and then at the very end as she gets to her stop she collects herself and apologizes to the guy next to her saying something like “im sorry, im so embarrassed”, and he’s just incredibly sweet to her and tells her it’s ok, and puts his hand on her shoulder as a comforting gesture. Pretty sure he was gay so it wasn’t anything to be creeped out by. Very touching moment. I get why people would be bothered by the fact that I recorded it, but in 100 years when we’re all dead if this clip is still out there somewhere, I think people would be glad it’s something they can watch. Like imagine if we could watch people for extended periods on trains before film cameras were a thing. Who doesn’t love that footage of NY in the early 20th century? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aohXOpKtns0

Also I think it’s even better when people have no idea they’re being filmed and they’re just behaving 100% naturally.

Are art handlers not part of the art industry? Because they are. Anyone whose job aids in the existence of the art industry is part of the art industry. Is a painter painting houses part of the art industry? No. Is a painter painting the walls of a museum in the art industry? Yes. Same goes for security. I’ve known one guard at Gagosian for like 10 years. He’s part of the art industry. He’s a Gagosian security guard. Gagosian depends on the guards to keep their work safe, or at least create the appearance that it is safe.

I actually did record a crying girl on the subway over ten years ago, and I do feel kinda bad about it now, but there was something beautiful about it, and how after a while the guy next to her offers her a tissue and she takes it and says thank you. The main reason I was filming though was because I was doing a project of subway people recordings, so anyone I found fascinating or weird would get recorded. This was back when I had an iPhone 4 and it was way easier to subtly film people around you while appearing to listen to music. I’d wear sunglasses too so I could appear to look one way but monitor the screen w my eyes. I have like over 200 videos and some are pretty crazy. One of the most amazing things was how you’d be filming one person, and then they get off the train, but then someone else just as interesting takes their place, or some crazier shit happens.

You’re stereotyping here. There are always lazy people of any income background. I know multiple people who came from money and had a lot of help who are now extremely successful and work very hard. There’s also a range of wealth. Someone who gets a million a year from daddy, well yeah maybe they wont work too hard, but that’s an incredibly rare case. It’s more like lots of people getting their rent paid for or subsidized, or having a credit card for emergencies, or getting a lump sum a handful of times after turning 18. It’s not enough to be lazy the rest of your life. It’s enough to have a leg up and deal with less challenges than someone who has zero help.

Security guards often are in the art industry though, especially at a place like The Met. So many of them are aspiring artists or practicing artists. I have 3 artist friends that worked security at The Met in the past.

We also endure terrorist attacks, insane people on the street, and dumbass tourists like yourself, but go on

Anyone I’ve ever gotten to know at Gagosian came from money, and I can think of at least 5 people. Two on the dealer end and 3 on the shop girl end.

You can also just sorta tell who comes from money. You see it in their face and how they present themselves/speak. Most of Gagosian is people that have/had a lot of help.

It’s not a good example of the real art world. If I remember correctly it’s a reality show about girls working for a shitty irrelevant soho gallery.

Christ that’s so bad. No surprise it’s a known fact assistants have stolen stuff from the studio like editions and prints. No shame in that honestly.