oldguy_on_the_wire

oldguy_on_the_wire t1_j7e374r wrote

I would think any use of lead plates as boundary markers would have died out as iron (a ferromagnetic material and thus more easily located with a detector) became cheaper than lead.

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oldguy_on_the_wire t1_j7e2tbr wrote

Not the one you asked, but continental drift is a very slow process and would likely move all the land around the marker identically, with the net effect of no difference.

An earthquake OTOH would have the definite possibility of moving the marker itself thus changing the boundary lines.

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oldguy_on_the_wire t1_j2dd0bf wrote

Oh, go on with your logic here! We have flaming pitchforks and we're gonna use them dammit!!!!! /s

I, too, avoid absolute words like 'always', never, etc. They are so seldom accurate and they paint a false picture. I'm sorry to see you got hammered for speaking truth to the masses.

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oldguy_on_the_wire t1_j15eflo wrote

This still ignores the fundamental fact that the people elected a particular person. The didn't elect an aid. They didn't elect the representative's wife or child or parent.

A line of succession scheme can work well when there is a hierarchy to hang it on, as with the US Presidency, or with state governorships. A representative to Congress or to a state legislature is a single power point, not a hierarchy.

The most effective, fair way to replace a lost one is with a special election rapidly conducted.

I slightly misstated things earlier in this thread when I said the fourth district is unrepresented until the seat is filled. It is more accurate to note that if an important enough issue were to arise then it very probably would be picked up by other members of the Virginia delegation.

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oldguy_on_the_wire t1_j15akhn wrote

> Maybe a succession thing like the president has.

How would you decide who is to succeed when necessary? The only process that makes sense to make that decision is the same one we previously discussed... elect multiple people in priority order.

> I mean does district 4 even have a representative come January?

It does not have representation beyond the two statewide senators until McEachin is replaced.

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oldguy_on_the_wire t1_j157558 wrote

> Which is why I think a deputy representative or vice representative would alleviate those issues.

It has that potential, but it is intensely more complex, thus more expensive and confusing. It also does not address the issue of if both the elected representative are incapacitated simultaneously, leaving us in the same position we are in currently.

As far as online voting.. nah, folks freak out too much over mail in ballots, online would cause them to clutch their pearls so hard they would choke themselves.

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oldguy_on_the_wire t1_j140wdt wrote

> You wouldn't be calling it easier if you saw the lines to park and get to the voting stations, vote and get out of there.

Yes I would.

A normal election involves closing schools and government offices to serve as polling places. While it may make it easier for an individual to vote if all those spots are open, it makes it vastly harder on the general public. With schools closed parents now have to cover child care or miss work to watch the kids that can't go to school during the election.

> I read up on every candidate before I go vote. Most read very very similarly.

And yet you seemed to have missed the differences between McClellan and Morrissey on the topic of abortion for instance.....

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oldguy_on_the_wire t1_j13u7mo wrote

> I was trying to say ok well since a majority voted for the Democrat candidate, shouldn't we just hold a Democrat election?

I understood what you were saying. What you don't seem to get here is that another commenter pointed out the same thing and you refused to accept that, continuing to dig your hole deeper.

> So why don't we do that when a representative passes? Why don't we have a deputy representative or something to take over in case the worst happens?

Why would we elect alternative representatives to takee over in the event of the death of an elected representative before they take office when it is VASTLY simpler and cheaper to hold a new election in those very rare circumstances?

> the current people running for the Democrat seats are all very similar with all similar views (other than the topic of the main post) that it just felt like I was voting for the same person but with different names.

I don't think that you have visited either candidates web sites or looked at their positions because if you had then you would not say this.

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oldguy_on_the_wire t1_j13r96u wrote

> See other than your last paragraph, your whole reply was the conversation I was looking for.

If this was the case then why did you not say so when the first commenter to your complaint noted it? You proceeded to go into lala land. And received appropriate replies.

As to my last paragraph, I do not understand your complaint. Would you care to elaborate? Do you disagree that it is unfair to disenfranchise people? Do you disagree that the thread went down hill for you after this comment of yours and the reply to it that you totally ignored?

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oldguy_on_the_wire t1_j13q8up wrote

You stated:

> .... that the Republicans get to join in it again even though they lost. I don't get it (Emphasis mine).

To which a commenter explained:

> If someone dies in office, it should be the voice of the people that decides who replaces them. That's democracy.

> I think Republicans should have a chance just like Democrats should have a chance if a Republican dies in office. I don't like Republicans, but that's only fair. Everyone gets their shot in a democracy. ....

Right there in the very first reply to your complaint that you "don't get it" is the explanation. If a publicly elected official dies before they take office then a new election is held. Because it is a different election than the previous one every voter gets to express their opinion. It is not a difficult concept but you seem to have trouble accepting it.

Democrats did not win the election. Donald McEachin, a Democrat, won the election and died before he could take office. It is entirely plausible that some Republicans voted for him in the first election. It is also entirely plausible that any who did might decide in the run off that neither Democratic candidate is a suitable replacement for McEachin and want to vote for someone else in the new election.

You can't disenfranchise people like that, it is unfair. The rest of the thread goes downhill from there....

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oldguy_on_the_wire t1_iufneog wrote

Reply to comment by pocketdare in so freaking spookie by Pungentstench69

My elder son and his gf are both big horror genre fans. Halloween is, after all, the best holiday, amirite? Younger son and his wife are okay with the genre, but not huge fans, just average.

Heh, I was scared back in the 50's by a couple of films, Attack of the Mole People and The Blob. AotMP was the worst because outside the theater we saw it at they were putting in new telephone poles. So there was a line of holes with mounds of dirt around them that were identical to the ones the Mole People had been using. I was brave and all that crap, but I rapidly moved to the far side of my parents and brothers away from them, let me tell you! LOL

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