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p314159i t1_je411oq wrote

When we talk about Chinese people, everyone knows who were are talking about. It is the common person. The Han. The other 55 are just groups who happen to have been in the territory China controlled at a particular date who had to be incorporated into the state to avoid revolts. Even then some (but not all) incarnations of the Chinese state would just try to eliminate them if they rebelled because that was viewed as if it would be easier in the long run than dealing with constant revolts in territory that was now deemed to be part of the "China" now.

Don't take this as a claim that china is this innately xenophobic society but they tend to oscillate between periods of extreme openness and extreme closedness, and the "bad" "prior" China might do something that eliminate a group and turns them into Han, and the "new" "good" China might condemn the prior China as having lost the mandate of heaven due to their crimes but the long term trend of these is that there is an ever expanding block of people who are regarded as Han, and it is that expanding block that people consider to be Chinese. Of course some of the old ways get preserved despite these state actions so the regional variation of the Han is extensive even if they are all regarded as Han (not all Han even speak in ways that are understandable to each other, although the Chinese state does not regard these as languages and instead calls them dialects. The Chinese dialects are however all derived from each other and fit into a language family, so it is a bit like with Dutch and English where you can tell they are kind of similar even if they are not understandable to one another and the Dutch have an easy time of learning English due to the similarities).

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p314159i t1_je40fks wrote

And this is often why some protestants call the catholics polytheists as they have not cast off the relics of paganism yet. As the bible absolutely must be taken literally except for the part where Jesus says that this wine is his blood and this bread is his body. That's metaphorical.

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p314159i t1_je400bv wrote

Probably because the folk religion predates the clerics as it was just there rather than spreading in from the middle east.

The Romans worked in a similar way. The senate proclaim dead emperors to godhood even though they really didn't want to do that because the emperors were usually anti-senate or the senate had even killed the emperors or Caesar in some cases.

Additionally in practice beatification in Catholicism is just an approval process where they determine that people the masses are venerating were indeed saints, so it really is just more of a case of the Church pretending like it is in control more than anything.

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p314159i t1_jbr63fe wrote

It isn't like the lack of dates complete frustrates attempts to understand but it would be significantly easier if they existed. Lack of dates is not the end of the world but it is something which is missing and you have to do a significant amount of work to just achieve the same level of understanding that would be available if it just had dates. When the dates don't exist the dates need to be created through meticulous work because dates are needed.

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p314159i t1_jbr3kjj wrote

Dude I just want to compare different native groups to see if there were any interactions or butterfly effects between them. I can't do that right now unless I sift through a bunch of different oral histories and try to piece together an order and chain of causality.

For instance we still don't technically know if the Xiongnu and the Huns are the same thing but because of dates we know it is theoretically possible they were the same and that the start of a potential migration can be determined by a particular date in Chinese history when they started trying to move west away from China.

What potential questions are we not asking (such as if the Xiongnu and the Huns are same thing) simply because we don't know yet if the dates could line up?

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p314159i t1_jbr1v7l wrote

>westernised perspectives

No. Dates tell you when exactly things happened. We can compare events to events in china that happened at the same time and create a grand unified history of both the west and the east. The problem comes in integrating the global south into this grand unified history because the global south lacked dates.

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p314159i t1_jbr0dbu wrote

They can say that but knowing the dates of things would be useful towards comparative analysis that attempts to find commonalities over the events that were occurring for the entirety of the continent. We could make inferences much more easily about the factors which lead to certain things if we knew the order they happened even if that order is not stated directly.

For instance we can know that the Haudenosaunee confederacy was form at some point, and we can assume that the story of its formation is accurate, but the union of the five nations could have happened centuries before the sixth was added (which is something we know the exact date of) or it could have formed literally just decades before contact with europeans. If we knew with better certainty we could perhaps determine if there was some great event which created the factors which lead to its creation.

Dates allow you to add context to event the original historians who recorded the events themselves might not have thought to provide. We've gained significantly greater insight into Roman history for instance by comparing it with archeological and climatological evidence which can track the movements of the "barbarians" and that the golden age corresponds with a warm climate period and the migrations correspond with a cooler period. We couldn't do that if the histories lacked dates.

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p314159i t1_j9w2a0k wrote

Jealousy over everyone thinking the same person from a limited pool is the most compatible with them seems like it would be a bigger problem than people not being able to find anyone who was compatible.

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p314159i t1_j9w1zuv wrote

It should also be noted that the reason that app exists is not that this is a problem in iceland specifically but rather than iceland is a place where the data exists specifically because extensive records of the whole population going back generations exist.

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p314159i t1_j9w1j5d wrote

Inbreeding is usually only a problem when there are multi-generational instances of cousins marriages. Singular cousin marriage so long as they are not repeated tend to not result in any apparent ill effects. The entire marriage history of Iceland has been studied and while they had more than 727 (current population 300k, it was below 100k before the 1930s) and absolutely no ill effects were observed from the range of third or fourth cousins. Even if the population never changed and everyone is your fifth or sixth cousin it is not worth worrying about.

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p314159i t1_j9mowiq wrote

>When one terrorist group creates a novel attack vector, others are quick to repeat it.

I'm happy that this is the attack vector as opposed to everyone just copying the Kharijites and attacking civilians crowds in suicide attacks exclusively. Please attack power stations rather than what they were doing before.

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p314159i t1_j9mbquk wrote

Men were accused of being witches too, in Salem the only reason women were more likely to get accused of being witches was because the people doing the accusing were women accusing other women they knew.

Basically so long as you kept giving names they would hold off persecuting you. Both men and women were initially accused of being witches but when men were accused of being witches they were more likely to just accept being killed immediately rather than accusing a bunch of other people first to spare their own life, with the famous case of the guy who instead of announcing a plea would grunt "more weight" when they came to ask him for one as he was sandwiched between two boards with rocks on top.

Ultimately the witch trials did not end until the accusations of witchcraft had passed through the women's social circles as they accused people they knew until they eventually reached up all the way to the governor's wife, in which case the whole witch trial thing was clamped down upon swiftly.

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p314159i t1_j9mae3h wrote

It is in the bible heretic. The bible supersedes the traditions of man and the church that realized witchcraft probably doesn't exist. Sola scriptura papist!

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p314159i t1_j9j7ws5 wrote

On the flipside you had Thomas Hobbes who asserted that witchcraft was fake but witches should be prosecuted anyway because anyone claiming to have magical powers was obviously lying.

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