I’m talking about present day. Why would you think it matters if a city used to have one? Newark presently has one and many other active polluters. What’s hard to grasp about that.

Regarding your edit can we get some environmental remediation like Philly got in that case to go along with the price increase? I don’t consider studios going for 2500 being a benefit.

I thought you were done with this debate? What happened?

I don’t understand you think it’s a bad thing for a city to get rid of an incinerator? This is a weird reflexive “my team vs your team” thing that I don’t get. You want to live in a city with more pollution or less? Philly should be commended for getting rid of that. I hope we do the same in Newark some day. Philly being cheaper and having less pollution than Newark is not the win for Newark you seem to think it is.

You gotta read your sources more carefully man. This is about a trash incinerator in Chester PA, which is of course not philadelphia. Meanwhile there’s a trash incinerator in the ironbound.

Oh you want to do it by region? Cause this includes places outside of Philly proper, I was just doing the places in Newark city limits. The bulk of those sites are on the NJ side by the way

https://www.businessinsider.com/ironbound-newark-new-jersey-pollution-law-2022-8

https://www.nrdc.org/stories/industry-surrounds-newarks-ironbound-neighborhood-these-residents-wont-let-it-define-them

https://yaleclimateconnections.org/2022/08/newarks-ironbound-neighborhood-fights-for-clean-air/

There’s three. Can you send some for Philly?

Unless you have a source to back it up then it does not. Feel free to google and get back to me though. If you need any links showing just how badly polluted the ironbound is let me know.

You don’t need a 15 minute train ride to a better city if you can get whatever you need in the city that you already live in.

Otherwise I agree just pointing out the frustrating aspect of paying these prices to live in Newark when you can’t even find a spot to shoot pool, bowl, more than one movie theater, shit is dead downtown, etc.

Does Philly have four superfund sites in it along with multiple active polluters, including a trash incinerator, a stones throw from its most densely populated neighborhood in the city? Philly has a multitude of issues but that’s actually reflected in the cost of living there, unlike in Newark where you are paying New York metro area premixed for a very lacking urban experience

No I don’t think Newark sucks I do love it but I’m not kidding myself into thinking that it’s worth the price these new buildings are charging. And who in the world wouldn’t want where they live to stay affordable?

A neighborhood can offer great things and also be polluted, why would those two things be mutually exclusive? And it’s not like it’s not true: https://www.nj.com/opinion/2022/05/in-newarks-ironbound-you-can-taste-the-air-its-disgusting-just-say-no-to-another-fossil-plant-moran.html

I get you’re the ultimate Newark booster but just burying your head in the sand and pretending that a city with starting rents of 2500 dollars for new studios that is also home to four superfund sites and tons of active polluters is not a good look. Obviously I’m concerned about Newark or I would just be ranting about “crime” like the idiots that don’t actually care about Newark. Given that I’m actually concerned about the environmental racism and lack of affordable housing that’s not the case.

Also in what world do the “nice” parts of Philly lack walkability, transit, etc? The transit and nightlife options are far superior in Philly and that would only be controversial to someone who is delusional.

You notice I did indicate the ironbound has stuff in it but it’s polluted to all hell. So clearly you don’t need to whitewash and gentrify a place in order for it to have stuff. You realize that right?

We shouldn’t want the people who have lived in the city to have to get priced out and to move to other neighborhoods because displaced NYCers want to live in their neighborhoods now. Don’t undersell what a deleterious and disruptive impact that has on peoples lives. You should absolutely know better.

You can’t seriously think Newark is a better place to live than Philly. Also you’re very ignorant of the city if you think the only decent place to live is center city.

Newark is in a good area for things that aren’t Newark but for a city of 300k plus people most of the stuff is lackluster. So yeah Philly has much more stuff in it that doesn’t require leaving but the region isn’t as good as newarks. Newark however is a pretty meh city. So it’s a bit of a wash there but I’d still rather live in the nicer spots in Philly for less than I’d pay to live in the polluted ironbound or downtown that’s dead after 5 on the weekdays and weekends.

You don’t consider the place you live to be your home? When you tell people you’re going home do you say “I’m going to my landlords home?”

Even center city, Fitler square, etc have affordable apartments in comparison to Newark’s priciest locations. So again obviously the higher end stuff is pricier in some ways in Philly but you’re getting a lot more for that than you will in Newark. Newark is WAY overpriced for what it is.

I think you mean “own” rather than live in. And given that the vast majority of this city is composed of renters I think you should recognize why most people have an issue with this.

Because we want to be able to continue being able to afford living in our homes?

Honestly those are pretty standard prices in most new places in Newark these days. Really is no reason not to just go to Manhattan if you have the time.

Oof

There’s really no one size all solution honestly. Sometimes saying sorry works, sometimes saying nothing works and then sometimes when you say nothing they get agitated because you’re “ignoring them” and escalate. Shit sucks

Where are you gonna build it there that isn’t through forests or farms?

Then complain about more flooding and lack of green space!

The majority of this sub needs a crash course in induced demand.

No need to leave the state honestly. Salem, Sussex, Warren, Cumberland, etc all have abundant single family home options

Where are they building new condos?