This was exactly my point. The same people who are extra vocal about the state building public housing don’t realize that the hotel housing program is basically already exactly this. This is what happens when you congregate this population.

I think responsible forest management is a complex issue and with climate change changing the species of tree that do well in VT is may be appropriate to log large swaths of older forests which will soon die on their own and replace them with species which will thrive in 25 or 50 when the growing conditions are different.

It has slid backwards for sure.

I was referring to NYC in the late 70s and 80s when between homeless and gangs it was basically a war zone.

There is another way. It was built in Berlin. The issue is that the accepted population was changed from mentally ill to mentally ill and dangerous.

The normalization or “neuro divergence” has made it so society allows people without the ability to successfully care for themselves to be “independent”. Meaning exactly what others have said. Inserted back into an unprepared society with minimal support services delivered by what is in effect (due to funding sources) a quasi government agency.

The people who live in NYC hate to admit it but the reason that city is habitual again is Giuliani basically made being homeless and mentally ill a crime and institutionalized that population.

Public housing like what you are proposing has a long history of failing in the US. It is such a great idea on paper but when actual people get involved it falls apart. A person is reasonable, people are unpredictable.

https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2019/11/public-housing-fundamentally-flawed/602515/

Gravy fries at midnight from the window after an amazing show at Nectars.....It was a good time to experience Burlington for sure.

Just so you know. It’s not “gobs” but it is consistent money. The state will pay a fraction of market rate but generally agree to keep the hotel a certain percent filled so you get 50% of your normal rate but always have 50% occupancy which in VT is a good deal for these aging and less often used Hotels.

That is the only one. Other than that Waterbury for Maxis. Sorry.

*Where else can you get real breakfast. Not a bakery, not an egg sandwich, actual breakfast.?

Thank you for actual data. We had a UVM climate researcher come to my work to give a presentation on how climate change will impact the growing season, pest presence and deterrent options as well as crop potential. One of the bigger takeaways for a lot of us was the extreme weather events. Not really more or less rain, but more precipitation in short violent bursts and how to mitigate drainage as well as ensure cover crops are planted quickly to avoid topsoil erosion.

Anyway, that you again for some actual facts. Far to much or Reddit is conjecture or “when I was a kid”. I always appreciate hard data.

What did the refuse? Collision or liability. I bought my daughter a car with a salvage title and liability coverage was not an issue. Maybe if you want full coverage they might balk as a salvage is never worth as much as a never wrecked.

I have high manganese.it smells a little, more at specific times. It is safe though.

Heroin is popular.

Go quarry jumping. Find and visit a bunch of swimming holes and jump off high shit into deep water. That is always fun, plus there will be other people there to meet and hang out with.

Or... the original idea, heroin.

I remember this hole in the wall Cuban place in Jamaica Plains in Boston. They had a fish and chips served in a newspaper that was amazing.

That has nothing to do with your question but it brought back memories of visiting my GF in Boston when I was 18.

Again, not sure if you are intentionally misunderstanding or not. You continue to focus on the wrong part of my statement. Housing everyone is a great idea. Doing so via a redistribution of private property is a “bad idea”. Did that help?

Yeah, you are out a chunk of change over stuff like not explicitly saying 30 days. Renting today is more risky than before. Shit like the inability to evict make it dangerous enough that you need to cover your ass.

Is a place like Burlington I assume the general sentiment is who cares, im renting or college kids or UVM kids who decided to stay so fuck it, soak them. Get out of chittenden county and shit is more affordable.

I never said that. Not sure if you intentionally misunderstood or not so I will give you the benefit of the doubt.

I said shelter is a human right.

Housing is a privilege.

Distributing existing housing this is a bad idea.

I think disagree on a core level. I agree shelter is a “right” and we as a society can not let people die on the streets because they have nowhere to go. I think housing is a privileged and redistribution of it is a general “bad idea”

And for those who don’t get a subsidy, property taxes have increased about 4x in the past 15 years. Comparing rents from “before” to rents now without taking into account the increased costs and risk of renting now to “before”

Look at the democratic Burlington candidate, she owns a rental and lost the security deposit after a tenant moved out mid lease because her letter said you can appeal to the housing board but didn’t explicitly say you have 30 days in the letter.

https://vtdigger.org/2022/11/27/housing-becomes-flashpoint-in-burlingtons-east-district-city-council-race/

Your mom did, last night. She told me to post it here.

I'm with you. I wish most of the recent COVID refugees would leave. I would go back to no cell service at home ans slow internet to get rid of the people who moved here. Not gonna happen, but I understand your sentiment.

No worries, just some constructive feedback for next time.

I love the honesty in this answer.

You switched from housing to shelter in your post so I wanted to level set on what was being discussed.

Housing and shelter are not the same thing.

Right, but now you have started a project where the housing part is only a small part of the whole. If you were to do that, why not invest in actual affordable housing in places that need it instead of take existing stock. Why take 1000 units on stowe for people who want housing in Burlington? Why not just build cheap dense housing in Burlington funded by a higher tax on secondary homes.