If you're more interested in psychology and small-scale family dynamcs, do The Sopranos, but if you find politics/economics more interesting, then do The Wire.

Michael Scott

I mean that word actually means something, and at least it's not a verb people use as an adjective.

Just because you aren't bothered by things people describe as "toxic" in non-medical contexts doesn't mean it isn't a usefully specific and descriptive word.

Yea but I mean the HBO version, outside of the basic premise they’re very different.

Westworld probably could have been 2-3 movies.

They're both the same as Yojimbo, which is the same as Dashiel Hammet's Red Harvest.

100%, I just watched the 4 episodes yesterday and yea every episode was pretty great.

Season 2 of The Wire is such a massive change of gears from season 1, it can be really jarring to first-time viewers, and a lot of people see it as an outlier and a departure from the core of the show, but once you've seen the whole series, its placement makes way more sense, and people who've rewatched it consider it one of the best.

In general, I'd also recommend people starting The Wire understand that it's super dense and will require a high degree of attention. If you're second-screening or doing other stuff while it's on in the background, you'll have a really hard time getting into it.

Mr. Robot's season 2 has a similar issue. The whole season revolves around a big twist, making everything feel weird and just generally off, and most people seemed to find the twist cheap and that's when the general popularity of the show disappeared, but I think seasons 3 and 4 are excellent and even if 2 seems like a slog, it's worth pushing through. Similar to The Wire, I also find Mr. Robot S2 to be more effective upon rewatch.

Not a hipster thing, it's so "they pass the savings on to you."

And had a dog

Clearly it’s in Seinfeld when Kramer’s stance on bathing changes between swearing by cold showers, then only taking baths, and then with normal shower habits outside of the addition of a food disposal.

Very dramatic and consequential with seamlessly integrated changes.

I like Tár a lot but don’t go expecting lots of bombastic music sequences. It’s way more of a deep dive character study than it is about music, and doesn’t really have a ton of music sequences.

Ahhhh yea that one is rough

Surprised to hear you guys are finding it depressing/dark. Maybe it's because all the other stuff I watch, but I find watching likeable mostly good people working hard to solve problems the opposite of depressing.

Yea situations get intense and dire, and there's high stakes, but depressing/dark/dour? Not to me. If anything I find the idea of a reality were government cares at least a tiny bit about scientific progress incredibly invigorating, but maybe those elements don't come into play until a bit later.

No they’re not… so as long as he gives them material he’s gold. And he’s not a lifelong politician so he’s incapable of not saying a dumb thing once in a while, and crime will always happen in NYC so then every publication gets to have some thinkpiece on why a crime happens after we elected a cop as mayor.

Yea it's easy to get morons to agree with your nonsense point if you make shit up.

What a pair of dolts you two are.

I've lived in NYC my entire 30+ years, have lived in Washington Heights for 4+ years, take the train 5+ times/week often late back to the Heights, and I rarely see any crime. Honestly can't remember the last time I saw something worse than a lazy bumfight.

I guess it's funny to just make shit up to attempt to prove some dumbass point, but maybe try actually living here instead of brigading/shitposting like a fucking twat, or just to the fuck back to r/podunkshitholenobodycaresabout where you belond.

Biting the hand that feeds. Media alarmism about crime is the entire reason he got elected in the first place.

Breaking Bad is probably the best pure thriller TV series I've seen, but The Sopranos does so much more in terms of thematic and psychological depth and incredibly nuanced characterizations.

Regarding Homeland, the first 3 seasons are all the Brody arc, and though the other seasons do get a bit more segmented there’s still the carryover of the Keene presidency that kinda ties everything together.

I remember thinking seasons 2-3 were just okay, but yea 4 was incredible.

The Wire. Season 5 is overall good, but those first 4 seasons are essentially perfect. Maybe it isn't everybody's show, but for what it's trying to do, it doesn't miss a single step.

The problem with a Red Dead adaptation is that the plots are just pastiches of like, every big western movie ever. They'd really have to steer into an over-the-topness to avoid just seeming like an endless string of cliches, but that isn't really the game's vibe.

I mean the entire point of the show is to be a The Raid-style action thing. The crime plots and character development are all in service of setting up elaborate action sequences.

If that’s not what you want, it’s not the show for you.

Because the issues it’s about are just as relevant today if not moreso.